[19737]

Giulia has very little turbo lag....what is perceived as extra delay seems to happen only to those who floor it from standstil, seems that traction electronics is the culprit...

If it is nannies and not turbo lag then why does launching it from a standing start by holding the brake with the left foot not have the same nannie-lag? The dynamic forces on the car are greater if anything.

 

[19737]

Is that true? It doesn’t seem to be, for a variety of reasons, including that full stop w/o brakes engaged and the car will roll, as well as giving gas with car at full stop and brakes on will cause car to strain against brakes, and because when stopped on an incline w/o braking, the car will hold if the grade is shallow enough.

I agree. It doesn't ring true to me either. I can sit at a stop with my left foot on the brake and the accelerator slightly depressed and I can feel that the car is in gear but being held by the brakes. I'm also positive that the car is not in neutral when just sitting at a light with the brake depressed.

 

[lockem]

If it is nannies and not turbo lag then why does launching it from a standing start by holding the brake with the left foot not have the same nannie-lag? The dynamic forces on the car are greater if anything.

Because the fuel economy compromise (not a nanny) is disengaged when you hit the accelerator while holding the brake at a standstill.

I do not get noticeable response lag at 30MPH other than the time to downshift and rev the engine. If your car behaves otherwise, you probably have something that needs fixing. If you think that a car at 1200 RPM should be able to lurch forward without downshifting, you need to buy a car with a much bigger engine (or electric) and join the ranks of excessive CO2 generators.

 

[hypersloth]

I gave up reading post as they had the same theme either 1. yes the lag sucks or 2. is this your first time driving a turbo, do you have the car turned on, do you have gas in the car.......sigh.

Yes, I have gas in the car.
No this is not my first turbo.
No this is not my first car with auto shut down...and yes, I hit that button as soon as I get into the car after starting it.
Yes, I'm using premium gas.
No, the car isn't on its first tank, 3rd...and no I gave it no break in period nor should I but old school here I am going to change the oil asap.
The pedal lag is pedal lag...push the pedal...nothing happens or very little... It's NOT turbo lag

....this is NOT a dead stop issue, it happens at 30mph too.

*Final note: This is still a nice car, and fun to drive. I wish it had a bit more power but if it did I likely would have a color I didn't like with options missing as I would have impulse purchased at first drive.

 

[Bender]

I gave up reading post as they had the same theme either 1. yes the lag sucks or 2. is this your first time driving a turbo, do you have the car turned on, do you have gas in the car.......sigh.

Yes, I have gas in the car.
No this is not my first turbo.
No this is not my first car with auto shut down...and yes, I hit that button as soon as I get into the car after starting it.
Yes, I'm using premium gas.
No, the car isn't on its first tank, 3rd...and no I gave it no break in period nor should I but old school here I am going to change the oil asap.
The pedal lag is pedal lag...push the pedal...nothing happens or very little... It's NOT turbo lag

....this is NOT a dead stop issue, it happens at 30mph too.

*Final note: This is still a nice car, and fun to drive. I wish it had a bit more power but if it did I likely would have a color I didn't like with options missing as I would have impulse purchased at first drive.

Yeah I'd get to the dealer. This sounds abnormal.

 

[DareBear]

Yeah, I have almost zero lag at 30mph, and only a few ft of lag at 0mph. Definitely get it looked at. What DNA mode are you driving in?

 

[Chipshot]

I gave up reading post as they had the same theme either 1. yes the lag sucks or 2. is this your first time driving a turbo, do you have the car turned on, do you have gas in the car.......sigh.

Yes, I have gas in the car.
No this is not my first turbo.
No this is not my first car with auto shut down...and yes, I hit that button as soon as I get into the car after starting it.
Yes, I'm using premium gas.
No, the car isn't on its first tank, 3rd...and no I gave it no break in period nor should I but old school here I am going to change the oil asap.
The pedal lag is pedal lag...push the pedal...nothing happens or very little... It's NOT turbo lag

....this is NOT a dead stop issue, it happens at 30mph too.

Have you checked whether your car received the T57 update before delivery? Not all dealers are judicious about performing all such updates.

*Final note: This is still a nice car, and fun to drive. I wish it had a bit more power but if it did I likely would have a color I didn't like with options missing as I would have impulse purchased at first drive.

Hope you enjoy your Giulia for a long time. May I ask about the origins of your username?

 

[chrisngrod]

Taken from another thread...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=cKvOEZ7JCJc

Boost threshold?

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[Alfa 1]

I gave up reading post as they had the same theme either 1. yes the lag sucks or 2. is this your first time driving a turbo, do you have the car turned on, do you have gas in the car.......sigh.

Yes, I have gas in the car.
No this is not my first turbo.
No this is not my first car with auto shut down...and yes, I hit that button as soon as I get into the car after starting it.
Yes, I'm using premium gas.
No, the car isn't on its first tank, 3rd...and no I gave it no break in period nor should I but old school here I am going to change the oil asap.
The pedal lag is pedal lag...push the pedal...nothing happens or very little... It's NOT turbo lag

....this is NOT a dead stop issue, it happens at 30mph too.

*Final note: This is still a nice car, and fun to drive. I wish it had a bit more power but if it did I likely would have a color I didn't like with options missing as I would have impulse purchased at first drive.

My car is doing this now too. I took in it last month for the 10,000 mile service and they also performed the t57 update. It is very obviously different now, so much so that even my 14 daughter noticed. Also, a few friends that ride with me pointed it out too. There is definitely a few seconds delay; before, when I would punch it, it would launch! Now it doesn’t even come close. This was definitely not the case before I took it in last month. It’s back at the dealership for some HVAC issues (temp differences between driver and passenger, total shut down of fan, and fogging issues I’ve been complaining about for months) and I mentioned it when I dropped it off. We’ll see what they say.

 

[Darkwagoner]

2017 Giulia here.. NO turbo lag as you are having here.. but I do have the BMC drop in and I do use when I can, no alcohol fuel. 10K miles and with my wife timing, I get 5 sec 0-60 in D mode. ( and I also had the update.. )

 

[chaadster]

The pedal lag is pedal lag...push the pedal...nothing happens or very little... It's NOT turbo lag

....this is NOT a dead stop issue, it happens at 30mph too.

*Final note: This is still a nice car, and fun to drive. I wish it had a bit more power...

There is definitely pedal lag at times, no doubt, and devices like the Madness GoPedal and EuroCompulsion PedalPro are designed to address this, both by changing the throttle mapping and by speeding up the signaling. Greg@EuroCompulsion explains well how it works, and there is a thread by him on the PedalPro which is worth looking at.

Additionally, the transmission will change shifting behavior based on throttle input. Even in D mode, gentle application of throttle will “relax” shift points, for example allowing the trans to upshift very rapidly at low rpms. I’ve noticed that auto mode will be in 7 at times I might manually be in 4, so obviously in 7th at, say, 1.5k rpm and 30mph, it’s going to be a little delayed to pedal i put compared to being in 4th at 2.5k and 30mph.

Try being more aggressive with throttle inputs and see if you notice behavior changes.

 

[FordPrefect]

I agree. It doesn't ring true to me either. I can sit at a stop with my left foot on the brake and the accelerator slightly depressed and I can feel that the car is in gear but being held by the brakes. I'm also positive that the car is not in neutral when just sitting at a light with the brake depressed.

Is that true? It doesn’t seem to be, for a variety of reasons, including that full stop w/o brakes engaged and the car will roll, as well as giving gas with car at full stop and brakes on will cause car to strain against brakes, and because when stopped on an incline w/o braking, the car will hold if the grade is shallow enough.

It is definitely true, for mine at least. Not noticeable once car is warmed up, but when it's cold the idle with car in Drive and foot on the brake goes up to ~1100 rpm, lift off of brake a little and drops to ~900, foot back on brake it goes back up to ~1100. It is going in and out of neutral. I have also felt a jerk if going from brake to gas very quickly.

In the scenarios you both described, the feature would be disabled 1. foot on the accelerator 2. brakes not engaged 3. on a hill. Alfa actually did a pretty good job masking this one!

 

[chaadster]

It is definitely true, for mine at least. Not noticeable once car is warmed up, but when it's cold the idle with car in Drive and foot on the brake goes up to ~1100 rpm, lift off of brake a little and drops to ~900, foot back on brake it goes back up to ~1100. It is going in and out of neutral. I have also felt a jerk if going from brake to gas very quickly.

In the scenarios you both described, the feature would be disabled 1. foot on the accelerator 2. brakes not engaged 3. on a hill. Alfa actually did a pretty good job masking this one!

Mine does not exhibit that behavior, and as I said, if I’m foot off the brake and off accel, the car moves forward.

 

[ParallelTwin]

Scenario one: Punch it to the floor, no to little movement for the first second, another second later it starts to slowly pick up speed AND DANGEROUSLY I MIGHT add if I were trying to pull out in front of someone

I've experienced this exact situation several times. Both completely stock and modded (EC intake, tune, exhaust). The problem is that it occurs @ random times. The inconsistency of pedal input / throttle response / translation to power makes the drive less than satisfactory, especially in traffic. Have the T57 update done. And have owned several FI cars previously & 3 currently. Imo this is not an issue with the turbo but the fbw throttle programming/tuning.

Am hoping a planned Pedalpro purchase will alleviate the issue.

 

[hypersloth]

I'm going to try and summarize my experience here a bit better especially since it seems worse today. The car has about 740 miles on it, came to me with about 300 on Saturday (car was driven between dealers)

-Pulling out as it would appear to a passer by, would look as if I were on a very casual drive ...for the first 2 seconds.
-Then you would notice the car jerk suddenly and start to accelerate for a second or 2...
-Then the turbo kicks in and the car surprises you and I'm sure to the passer by they are noticing some herky jerky steering to accommodate for the recent warp drive enabled feeling.

There just is no casual egress with quickness in this car...it goes from almost nothing to far too much when you really want to get it out there quickly and push the pedal 3/4 to all the way down.

The only solace is that I can time for this delay and at 1/2 pedal the car is much more manageable.

I'm not sure how I missed this on my test drives. I likely was being a bit cautious on the test drive and not really getting on it too much unless I was already 'at speed' and was adding acceleration through bends etc to test handling and power pull at 60+ mph for example.

Not sure what to do. I already need to take the car in for the brakes clunking so I guess I will ask that they check this out for me too....sigh.

 

[Chicago Joe]

I've experienced this exact situation several times. Both completely stock and modded (EC intake, tune, exhaust). The problem is that it occurs @ random times. The inconsistency of pedal input / throttle response / translation to power makes the drive less than satisfactory, especially in traffic. Have the T57 update done. And have owned several FI cars previously & 3 currently. Imo this is not an issue with the turbo but the fbw throttle programming/tuning.

Am hoping a planned Pedalpro purchase will alleviate the issue.

Count me in as experiencing this phenomenon. I floor (or practically floor) the pedal and there is literally a second of dead space followed by the lunging. It just seems like the pedal and the transmission are not really on speaking terms either.

I have owned my Giulia for about 3 months, have driven about 3000 miles. I still absolutely love this car, but I think it is about 97% ready for prime time. I look forward to Giulia 2.1 someday.

 

[Racer Z]

I'm going to try and summarize my experience here a bit better especially since it seems worse today. The car has about 740 miles on it, came to me with about 300 on Saturday (car was driven between dealers)

-Pulling out as it would appear to a passer by, would look as if I were on a very casual drive ...for the first 2 seconds.
-Then you would notice the car jerk suddenly and start to accelerate for a second or 2...
-Then the turbo kicks in and the car surprises you and I'm sure to the passer by they are noticing some herky jerky steering to accommodate for the recent warp drive enabled feeling.

There just is no casual egress with quickness in this car...it goes from almost nothing to far too much when you really want to get it out there quickly and push the pedal 3/4 to all the way down.

The only solace is that I can time for this delay and at 1/2 pedal the car is much more manageable.

I'm not sure how I missed this on my test drives. I likely was being a bit cautious on the test drive and not really getting on it too much unless I was already 'at speed' and was adding acceleration through bends etc to test handling and power pull at 60+ mph for example.

Not sure what to do. I already need to take the car in for the brakes clunking so I guess I will ask that they check this out for me too....sigh.

Let your new car warranty work for you. You paid for it when you bought your new car. I also want to point out that if you try to fix something, they can void your warranty "cause you touched it'.

I know how disappointing this can be, but just drive in and tell them what's going on. AR wants to please you, in their own odd way.

Your entitled to a free loaner car while yours is in for warranty work.

 

[MINIME]

I'm going to try and summarize my experience here a bit better especially since it seems worse today. The car has about 740 miles on it, came to me with about 300 on Saturday (car was driven between dealers)

-Pulling out as it would appear to a passer by, would look as if I were on a very casual drive ...for the first 2 seconds.
-Then you would notice the car jerk suddenly and start to accelerate for a second or 2...
-Then the turbo kicks in and the car surprises you and I'm sure to the passer by they are noticing some herky jerky steering to accommodate for the recent warp drive enabled feeling.

There just is no casual egress with quickness in this car...it goes from almost nothing to far too much when you really want to get it out there quickly and push the pedal 3/4 to all the way down.

The only solace is that I can time for this delay and at 1/2 pedal the car is much more manageable.

I'm not sure how I missed this on my test drives. I likely was being a bit cautious on the test drive and not really getting on it too much unless I was already 'at speed' and was adding acceleration through bends etc to test handling and power pull at 60+ mph for example.

Not sure what to do. I already need to take the car in for the brakes clunking so I guess I will ask that they check this out for me too....sigh.

I am chuckling because I am picturing you thinking to impress and your car starts these sudden jerk and take off like “gosh look at him/her don’t know what they are doing” or what kinda car is that. The reason I am laughing so hard is because I was like that in the QV. I have learned the modes and somehow that blast off doesn’t happen as a lunge now it still may pull you back in your seat but it is pretty smooth now. Not sure if i just got better or the QV got smarter.

It should not be that ridiculous so I would take the service manager out for a test drive and show them

 

[hypersloth]

My sales team didn't think Mods were frowned upon and in fact they said they had the burden of proof on them to prove that mods caused issues to which you could then go back to the mod company and recoup losses Id imagine possibly. So I'm wondering if the less expensive throttle mapping (pedal lag) fixes that are out there have proven useful? What about the tunes that give about 80hp more, do they include a smoothing out of the initial acceleration?

I should add I have the Q4 with LSD..not sure if that makes a difference.

 

[MINIME]

Count me in as experiencing this phenomenon. I floor (or practically floor) the pedal and there is literally a second of dead space followed by the lunging. It just seems like the pedal and the transmission are not really on speaking terms either.

I have owned my Giulia for about 3 months, have driven about 3000 miles. I still absolutely love this car, but I think it is about 97% ready for prime time. I look forward to Giulia 2.1 someday.

I am thinking if you are flooring it you are going to rev with he brake. I accelerate quickly but I don’t literally push the pedal to the floor unless I was in manual mode and if with that you are controlling the shifting and have to shift to the limit first. Not sure why automatics would not need time to get to each gear. It does it quickly but in R that would be like going from 1-8 in less than a second.

Should we be able to floor it and have it be a smooth acceleration?