Why are there not full frame or at least hybrid turbo options and more robust custom tuning options for the 2.0T Giulia after a good 2 years? I'm finding it rather annoying that nothing has came to the market with these with such an easy turbo location for replacements and easy ecu to deal with similar to continental simos ecus. Even the downpipe options are sparse and it's only 2 bends with a funky turbine flange. This engine is after all fully forged; crank, rods, pistons with oil squirters which could easily support 500whp/450wtq with proper calibration/fueling.
Lack of bigger turbos and tuning. Discuss.
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Can you log specified vs actual boost and wgdc to make sure boost (load, tq) targets are set high enough in mid upper rev band?
Also thats odd a larger turbo is even able to make more boost than the smaller turbo down low. You sure they sized it correctly?
In multiecuscan desired boost is the same as before turbo. I don't know if someone changed the maps...
Deisred boost at 5500 is 2570mbar, real is 2650mbar. So I assume that turbo has potential but ecm cut them off.
When I got ec tune, I also make logs, and sutuation was the same, I thought thay Deisred should he higher at 5500. Ec told me than in tune is higher, so why multiecusan shows something different?
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Deisred boost at 5500 is 2570mbar, real is 2650mbar. So I assume that turbo has potential but ecm cut them off.
When I got ec tune, I also make logs, and sutuation was the same, I thought thay Deisred should he higher at 5500. Ec told me than in tune is higher, so why multiecusan shows something different?
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I would have the same question as you. Desired boost at 5500rpm is going to need to be alot higher than that. Id show logs to tuner and ask more questions. Why not just run jb4 on custom map 6 so you can set your own boost targets per rpm? Thats what many are having to do with the new hybrid turbos on the turbo b9 audi s4
I don't trust him so I will not go to him anymore.
He has car for 3 days... Make only 5 runs on dyno.
Unfortunetly for him i got dashcam which record all the time... I search records and I didn't see any calibration after load new map (3 times rpm to max).
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He has car for 3 days... Make only 5 runs on dyno.
Unfortunetly for him i got dashcam which record all the time... I search records and I didn't see any calibration after load new map (3 times rpm to max).
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If you have any more of those guides for the Giulia post them up!!!
Hi, jb4 could handle of tune engine with new bigger turbo?
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That would be awesome terry.
Heres the scan tool...
Its kind of like vagcom
Hopefully someone with more knowledge can help you find the pid.
Also any chance you can create a map in jb4 that allows for esc to be disabled? This would be a game changer imo. People are spending a hundred bucks on dongles that do this but they force you to lose abs and lose dynamic suspension controls. The programming way of doing it with mes and buying the race mode selector from a qv is not much better losing dynamic suspension and unclear interactions with throttle mode settings. If you could do this it would be great as esc holds back the 2.0l on the track.
We can only hope Terry knows a better way
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Here is a run from 60km/h to 200km/h. You can see the the intake temp (mainfold - correct one cause this is official FCA diag) never goes above 50 when loaded, also LT coolant temp is low as well. Maybe a pump upgrade is needed for lower temps. This is at 25C ouside temp. You can also see the waste gate is opening, so ECM is limiting boost, not the turbo. In my case I have some issue with airflow rate not being high enough, this was discussed with my tuner as well, but we couldn't figure out why. At the moment my car is on stock ECM map, so if you like I can test more stuff, unfortunately wiTECH is very limited in the way it shows the logs, also no way to export in csv to play with it in excel.
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What kind of tuning platform or interface is the new tuner using? And is he logging and tuning or just flashing a map for you?
I am trying to learn about all the options out there for tuning the my north American giulia2L Q2 (280hp ecu spec). But id prefer a proper tune where there is at least a few 2-5 revisions to see how the car is responding and recalibrating if necessary. So far i only have access to a canned/shelf tune which is flash and forget. Blind faith i guess.
Anyhow, looks like i will start w getting the mutilecuscan tool multiplexes version to just play with it for a while and see whats happening in Arizona summer coming up. Its 100F already everyday. I also want to see what i will be able to calibrate playing with the multiecuscan tool, not just engine related. Plus i will need a way to reset infotainment service reminder.
Thanks for your input in this thread, i find it very helpful and insightful.
I am trying to learn about all the options out there for tuning the my north American giulia2L Q2 (280hp ecu spec). But id prefer a proper tune where there is at least a few 2-5 revisions to see how the car is responding and recalibrating if necessary. So far i only have access to a canned/shelf tune which is flash and forget. Blind faith i guess.
Anyhow, looks like i will start w getting the mutilecuscan tool multiplexes version to just play with it for a while and see whats happening in Arizona summer coming up. Its 100F already everyday. I also want to see what i will be able to calibrate playing with the multiecuscan tool, not just engine related. Plus i will need a way to reset infotainment service reminder.
Thanks for your input in this thread, i find it very helpful and insightful.
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If you can tell me how to get them I will try my best. PM if you like so we don't flood the discussion.
Just wondering, how did you get the turbo from the focus mounted? The turbo from the RS has a different mounting flange. Did you used the OEM turbine housing?
Turbin and compressor wheels are fitted into giulias housing.
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2018 Q4 with Fiamenghi Ti exhaust, Race Mod, and Tecnico wheels.
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Are you aiming for 600HP from the 4 cylinder? 2.57bar (I presume gauge/boost pressure) is 37PSI and already a little more than double what the stock turbo can produce at 5500 RPM. At that pressure I would get very concerned about the reliability of that plastic turbo manifold, the transmission and the differential(s).
In my car with a stock turbo but EC P2 tune the waste gate cuts in at 25PSI boost when I am at 7000' elevation. I can get 25PSI boost in the 2500-4000RPM range.
2018 Q4 with Fiamenghi Ti exhaust, Race Mod, and Tecnico wheels.
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Quite a bit of power can be gained by not tapering off power as the redline is approached (a major part of what EC P2 does for top-end power). With my stock turbo, EC V2 intake and Fiammenghi exhaust I see 18PSI boost = 1.24 bar at the redline at 7000' (about 2000m) elevation. I expect that it can do better at lower elevations. However, my point is that 2.57bar boost at 5500RPM is nothing to complain about and it might even be too much without more HW changes. The boost change alone should get you a large increase in power, at least if the fuel pump and injectors can keep up. If you meant 2.57 bar absolute pressure at near sea level, that is not obviously any improvement over stock.
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