[rumifaizer]

How much did it run you if you don’t mind me asking

140$. Don't know where you can find it on Google, but if you can get it at that price you should! If you can show me I might return mine to the dealer.. I'm that cheap

 

[Crosshairs]

I just googled the part number and picked the first hit....all I looked at was the price.....didn't look any further than that...

 

[Raw_Alfa]

after 3,4 times off/on screen is ok, when puts D screen is D, when turn on Race mode, sceen is D with TCs off

so finally its working well

I wonder if the race letters would light up if you choose to go this route, with the EC config.

 

[Raw_Alfa]

140$. Don't know where you can find it on Google, but if you can get it at that price you should! If you can show me I might return mine to the dealer.. I'm that cheap

I scored mine off ebay for 100 shipped. Came from a wrecked 18 stelvio QV

 

[rumifaizer]

I scored mine off ebay for 100 shipped. Came from a wrecked 18 stelvio QV

Nice! I tried finding one on eBay for to weeks without luck

 

[jwq2]

Be aware it's not quite so straightforward, see info from tuner Squadra (use google translate )
race mode

 

[JeFizz]

I wonder if the race letters would light up if you choose to go this route, with the EC config.

I've been running the EC settings and no, race mode indicators never showed up. I'm back to trying CC now.

 

[kozak]

I've been running the EC settings and no, race mode indicators never showed up. I'm back to trying CC now.

So after some time you cannot turn off TCS and ESC?

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[lockem]

Be aware it's not quite so straightforward, see info from tuner Squadra (use google translate )
race mode

Quick summary: they say that for a Giulia Super 6B with adaptive dampers, Race mode "hard" setting will be soft on the front dampers and hard on the rear dampers, a dangerous combination. They can reprogram the damper control unit with the QV program to correct this behavior. Using the "mid" hardness setting in Race mode will work.

They want 400Eur to update the damper control unit (exchange) if the car has a non-Squadra tune. The price apparently includes all of the work to add Race mode.

They give a table of equipment combinations that includes Giulia Veloce (same as NAFTA spec cars?) and Super 6D and use the Dutch abbreviation "n.n.b." regarding the active dampers and shift paddle controllers. Do any forum members have a clue regarding what "n.n.b." means in this context? Do any forum members understand the difference between a 6B and 6D Giulia?

 

[JeFizz]

So after some time you cannot turn off TCS and ESC?

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No, it works just fine for me.

 

[JeFizz]

Quick summary: they say that for a Giulia Super 6B with adaptive dampers, Race mode "hard" setting will be soft on the front dampers and hard on the rear dampers, a dangerous combination. They can reprogram the damper control unit with the QV program to correct this behavior. Using the "mid" hardness setting in Race mode will work.

They want 400Eur to update the damper control unit (exchange) if the car has a non-Squadra tune. The price apparently includes all of the work to add Race mode.

They give a table of equipment combinations that includes Giulia Veloce (same as NAFTA spec cars?) and Super 6D and use the Dutch abbreviation "n.n.b." regarding the active dampers and shift paddle controllers. Do any forum members have a clue regarding what "n.n.b." means in this context? Do any forum members understand the difference between a 6B and 6D Giulia?

I believe it is emissions standards.

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[jwq2]

....... Do any forum members have a clue regarding what "n.n.b." means in this context? Do any forum members understand the difference between a 6B and 6D Giulia?

N.N.B = Nog Niet Bekend, Not known yet
CDCM = electronic dampers
ESM = Switching module for steeringwheel paddle switch for gearswitch, gearswitch +/-

6B and 6D relate to emission standards (6B / 6D )

Apparently, besides the adaptive dampers not working correctly for giulia (as said, requires either controller of quad, expensive, or loading software of the quad on the 2.0 controller ), the engine ecu does not see the DNA settings anymore, and simply switches to "N" mode, regardless of switch setting. This is solved by Squadra by simply putting their tuned map, normally found in "D", under "N".
On the diesels the paddles for switching gear don't work anymore, probably not relevant for nafta countries.

 

[Clarkebb]

I implemented CC race mode, successfully performing the proxy align, and implemented a temporary super ghetto home made resistor switch to confirm race mode worked on my NAFTA 2.0 Base Q4 Giulia.

I just ordered my R DNA switch here for $96 before shipping:

ALFA ROMEO SWITCH-DRIVING MODE SELECTOR (6ME58LXHAA) | Mopar Parts

ALFA ROMEO SWITCH-DRIVING MODE SELECTOR

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My observations that mostly match what others have noted:

• Changing byte 88 immediately caused A,N,D modes to all have the same N type pedal map.
• A 147 Ohm resistance between pins 5 and 6 for about a second enabled Race Mode (yellow image on Nav screen) with ESC OFF indicated.
• Race mode shift indicator was blank.
• Auto Start Stop is actually still functional for me in RACE
• My shift paddles (added after purchase) do work in Race.

I don’t have adaptive suspension which Squadra has identified addition issues with, so for me I’m trading the variable pedal maps for an ESC OFF and faster shifting RACE mode. Seems like a fair trade

I’ll keep watching for any observed differences between CC and EC in the proxy.

 

[jwq2]

I implemented CC race mode, successfully performing the proxy align, and implemented a temporary super ghetto home made resistor switch to confirm race mode worked on my NAFTA 2.0 Base Q4 Giulia.
......
My observations that mostly match what others have noted:

• Changing byte 88 immediately caused A,N,D modes to all have the same N type pedal map.
• .....

I don’t have adaptive suspension which Squadra has identified addition issues with, so for me I’m trading the variable pedal maps for an ESC OFF and faster shifting RACE mode. Seems like a fair trade

I’ll keep watching for any observed differences between CC and EC in the proxy.

apparently it's not just the pedal map though,but according to Squadra the motor management setting that is fixed to "N" at all settings

 

[lockem]

N.N.B = Nog Niet Bekend, Not known yet
CDCM = electronic dampers
ESM = Switching module for steeringwheel paddle switch for gearswitch, gearswitch +/-

6B and 6D relate to emission standards (6B / 6D )

Apparently, besides the adaptive dampers not working correctly for giulia (as said, requires either controller of quad, expensive, or loading software of the quad on the 2.0 controller ), the engine ecu does not see the DNA settings anymore, and simply switches to "N" mode, regardless of switch setting. This is solved by Squadra by simply putting their tuned map, normally found in "D", under "N".
On the diesels the paddles for switching gear don't work anymore, probably not relevant for nafta countries.

I wonder if they can update a stand alone CDCM. DHL can send parts to/from Europe pretty fast...

I also wonder if EC can work around the N mode issue. If not, I believe they can do the same as Squadra and put the same engine tune in D and N. I never use N anyway, just A (for cruising) and D.

 

[Clarkebb]

apparently it's not just the pedal map though,but according to Squadra the motor management setting that is fixed to "N" at all settings

Agreed, others in this forum have noted that the ECM reverts to Normal mode via MES. But they have also logged data that shows boost and overboost is the same between the N and D modes in stock when byte 88 hasn’t been changed. So it’s not clear that it matters (although the documents posted seem to suggest more differences between N and D possible in the ECM, but I haven’t seen any of those differences confirmed yet). In fact, that Squadra post goes on to say that the big difference between the modes becomes the performance of the transmission/shifting speeds, which do still change with the DNAR modes because they are handled in a different module.

I will admit though that it seems possible that the N mode ECM could have different nanny behavior then in D mode. So we could be trading a neutered D mode for having a RACE mode with no nanny’s.?‍♂

 

[kozak]

There is no difference in pedal map in EC in byte 88. I every setting dna its all the same. When changing from a to D even race nothing Change on pedal map. InCC i think there is the same situation.

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[Shayne Car]

So cc and ec are practically the same?

 

[lockem]

But does that mean that A is no longer functional as Advanced Efficiency at all if byte 88 is changed to CC or EC? A mode uses different valve timing and different transmission management, it is not just a pedal mapping.

 

[stocki]

But does that mean that A is no longer functional as Advanced Efficiency at all if byte 88 is changed to CC or EC? A mode uses different valve timing and different transmission management, it is not just a pedal mapping.

No.

I have Race mode and apart from the pedal map, A mode is unchanged.

Sailing still works.
Power is greatly reduced, compared to N/D/R.
Engine sound is different.
Transmission shifts very early.

Again: from what I can tell: unchanged, apart from the pedal map.