[forzasteve]

The controller needs power to change modes. When power is lost, the controller returns to default position and that is the position that it takes upon restoration of power. Now, if one were to use the manual switch option, which is available on the Forza controllers, the controller, upon restoration of power, would then assume the mode that the switch was set for. Since a switch is a mechanical device, it does not rely on power to retain its position. In this way, one could set the switch for always open and upon restarting the vehicle, the valves would open with any further intervention from the driver.


Regards,


Steve

 

[Avnyc11]

Thanks for confirming Steve.

I'm having mine installed today at Motorwerks in Westchester. Anyone else have an issue where the bottom of the box where the controller gets installed and where the fuse box is, has a raised crisscross pattern which prevents the controller sticking to it? I have a MY18 so maybe it's different then the 17s. The guys here cut out some of the raised plastic so it can sit flush.

 

[JerryNY]

Thanks for confirming Steve.

I'm having mine installed today at Motorwerks in Westchester. Anyone else have an issue where the bottom of the box where the controller gets installed and where the fuse box is, has a raised crisscross pattern which prevents the controller sticking to it? I have a MY18 so maybe it's different then the 17s. The guys here cut out some of the raised plastic so it can sit flush.

What are they charging and how long did it take them? I still haven’t had time to do mine yet. Still leaning toward DIY but I have to set aside an afternoon...

 

[Hoooper]

Thanks for confirming Steve.

I'm having mine installed today at Motorwerks in Westchester. Anyone else have an issue where the bottom of the box where the controller gets installed and where the fuse box is, has a raised crisscross pattern which prevents the controller sticking to it? I have a MY18 so maybe it's different then the 17s. The guys here cut out some of the raised plastic so it can sit flush.

Plastic hatch is the same for 17s. Mine did stick to the hatch but I dont know how long it will hang on there for. Might try to glue a platform onto it so the velcro has a better surface to stick to

 

[JerryNY]

Plastic hatch is the same for 17s. Mine did stick to the hatch but I dont know how long it will hang on there for. Might try to glue a platform onto it so the velcro has a better surface to stick to

Could just stick it to the side walls of the box or just put some layers of double sided foam tape in the square sections on the bottom to raise it above the ridges...

 

[John_K_348]

That's what I did. You can definitely DIY it. Just loosen enough of the middle underpanel fasteners to allow it to flex down. Then reach in through the wheel well with the wheel off and zip tie the cables, from underneath, to the vacuum lines.

You can stick the locking velcro strips to the side of the plastic cubby. I had enough ground wire from the bumper side of the cubby to reach the bolts for the rear ecus. The nut closest to the back seat can be removed without touching the foam inserts and all the trim. Perfect grounding point.

I love my Forza controller! You can tell by the carbon stains on the exhuast tips.

 

[JerryNY]

That's what I did. You can definitely DIY it. Just loosen enough of the middle underpanel fasteners to allow it to flex down. Then reach in through the wheel well with the wheel off and zip tie the cables, from underneath, to the vacuum lines.

You can stick the locking velcro strips to the side of the plastic cubby. I had enough ground wire from the bumper side of the cubby to reach the bolts for the rear ecus. The nut closest to the back seat can be removed without touching the foam inserts and all the trim. Perfect grounding point.

I love my Forza controller! You can tell by the carbon stains on the exhuast tips.

You just need to renove the driver’s side rear wheel? Not sure how I can get under to loosen the middle underbody panel. Maybe put the lower A-arms on some 8x8’s lol

 

[Avnyc11]

They told me they couldn't do the side because the foam box wouldn't fit back in.

I like the idea of cutting the crisscross because then it adds a little area around it to prevent movement, and the Velcro can sit flush.

They also had to drill the extra hole but the kit comes with the a grommet for it.

They charge $110 an hour, seems to be standard around here, and it took them 2.5 hours but only because I was the guinea pig. My guess is they could do it in under two now they know how. And the guy I worked with (Jay) used to sell Alfa's, so he's a little familiar.


I have to concur with everyone else, this is an absolute must have for all QV owners! Shame on Alfa for not making the exhausts always open or at least giving owners an option to always open them. Even AE mode sounds amazing now.

 

[BGorilla]

Wait, the controller has a setting to automatically open the flaps every time you start the car?

 

[apelsinelise]

Gotta ask:

What's the point?

I mean the engine noise is not that great anyway. My QV does not shriek like a small displacement V8 not does it wail like a flat 6. Yes, the sound is quite amazing for a turbo V6 but it is not even remotely as exciting as say naturally aspirated Maserati F136 V8 from the old Quattroporte or Granturismo. I'm not even talking about real Ferraris. It's a shame what turbocharging did to the sound but there is no escaping present reality. Turbocharging and its muffled exhaust sound effects are here to stay.

To me the elevated engine noise only makes sense if I row my own gears. Then I can shift by sound. QV already provides that in the Race mode. Also, the best sounds are all in the upper rev range and under aggressive upshifts/downshifts. And that happens on the track. In Race mode. Then and there it really sounds great!!! In other modes and places with transmission in auto... well, this controller just makes it a noisy automatic.

I've driven my QV on the street in Race mode. The sound is meh (unless I risk my license). I much prefer quiet power.

IMHO Alfa's stock exhaust valve programming makes perfect sense as it is.

What am I missing?

Disclaimer: not trolling, honest question.

 

[robertmee]

^a lot of words but in summary what you are missing is different strokes for different folks. What you prefer differs from what others prefer. So it's all about options.

 

[apelsinelise]

^a lot of words but in summary what you are missing is different strokes for different folks. What you prefer differs from what others prefer. So it's all about options.

Yeah, I get that. I'm all for options.

But I still wonder what am I missing in terms of always open sound in street driving.

 

[forzasteve]

Yeah, I get that. I'm all for options.

But I still wonder what am I missing in terms of always open sound in street driving.

I don't know about others, but on my car, with the valves open, my fuel economy suffers because I am always pressing hard with the right foot cuz I love hearing the sound of the engine. :laugh:



So I am missing better fuel economy.



Steve

 

[Racer Z]

Gotta ask:

What's the point?

I mean the engine noise is not that great anyway. My QV does not shriek like a small displacement V8 not does it wail like a flat 6. Yes, the sound is quite amazing for a turbo V6 but it is not even remotely as exciting as say naturally aspirated Maserati F136 V8 from the old Quattroporte or Granturismo. I'm not even talking about real Ferraris. It's a shame what turbocharging did to the sound but there is no escaping present reality. Turbocharging and its muffled exhaust sound effects are here to stay.

To me the elevated engine noise only makes sense if I row my own gears. Then I can shift by sound. QV already provides that in the Race mode. Also, the best sounds are all in the upper rev range and under aggressive upshifts/downshifts. And that happens on the track. In Race mode. Then and there it really sounds great!!! In other modes and places with transmission in auto... well, this controller just makes it a noisy automatic.

I've driven my QV on the street in Race mode. The sound is meh (unless I risk my license). I much prefer quiet power.

IMHO Alfa's stock exhaust valve programming makes perfect sense as it is.

What am I missing?

Disclaimer: not trolling, honest question.

You are absolutely correct. The 2.9 V6 in the Giulia Quadrifoglio does not sound like a flat six or like a V8. It can't sound like a V8 for at least two reasons:

1) It does not have eight cylinders.
2) The standard V8 & V6 that we're use to hearing are a 60 degree V. The 2.9 QV is a 90 degree V.

- The flat six is a 180 degree block.

Even if all other tuning was matched, it simply can not sound like the other two. Impossible.

 

[Avnyc11]

Took a 200 mile road trip today after having the Forza installed yesterday, and while traffic caused me to stay in A most of the trip, the little openings I found when changing lanes sound like I'm in D or race. That's why I got it installed.

 

[John_K_348]

Truth!

The 90' V6 with "big bang" timing, if I have that right, is a unique sound. With the displacement, it generates a wonderful bellow and throaty roar to my ears. Not a wailing I4 or V8 and definitely NOT a farty, punchy, bangy, flat 4 boxer. Maybe it's their aftermarket exhaust? But the ones in my neighborhood sound farty, even though I encourage those young kids to keep at it and go for it. Just a little too much putt-putt for me.

 

[JerryNY]

You are absolutely correct. The 2.9 V6 in the Giulia Quadrifoglio does not sound like a flat six or like a V8. It can't sound like a V8 for at least two reasons:

1) It does not have eight cylinders.
2) The standard V8 & V6 that we're use to hearing are a 60 degree V. The 2.9 QV is a 90 degree V.

- The flat six is a 180 degree block.

Even if all other tuning was matched, it simply can not sound like the other two. Impossible.

Yeah it’s a unique sound. I can’t remember exactly where I read it but someone described it as sounding like a pair of very angry 3’s but that makes sense to me.:wink2:

 

[Ed Brown]

https://shopeurocompulsion.net/blogs...ce-mode-active

 

[Avnyc11]

https://shopeurocompulsion.net/blogs...ce-mode-active

I get a 404 error when I click the link

 

[Hoooper]

Im guessing it was supposed to be this one? The link in that post was truncated

https://shopeurocompulsion.net/blog...nstallation-database/alfa-romeo-giulia-qv-exhaust-modification-race-mode-active