That is great! (and maybe a bit surprising)

 

They have been building mostly the same 2 cars for 8 years. That has to help.

 

Cue the new EV-first platform with new drivetrains and software.

 

#16? Impossible. Cars experts and cars magazines say that Alfa Romeo is last in any reliability list.

 

Also better than Audi, which has long been Consumer Report's top pick for the category.

I see RAM has fallen from grace. I wonder if the high prices -> more owner scrutiny.

BMW and Porsche sure got good marks.

 

LOL, they read Consumer Report magazines.

 

I just looked at the actual JD Power website and they do not even provide any rating for the Giulia models from 2017-2023. However, the 2024 and newer models got top marks. The question is does the high rating apply the 2023 and older Giulia models?

 

I just looked at the actual JD Power website and they do not even provide any rating for the Giulia models from 2017-2023. However, the 2024 and newer models got top marks. The question is does the high rating apply the 2023 and older Giulia models?
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“The 2025 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from 34,175 original owners of 2022 model-year vehicles after three years of ownership. The study was fielded from August through November 2024 (JD Power).

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2025-us-vehicle-dependability-study-vds

 

#15 Tesla, #16 Alfa, #17 Subaru - My dream team.

 

Owning both a Giulia and a Subie (22 Outback XT) I have mixed feelings on this. Nice to see Alfa on the list but Subie numbers aren’t trending well.

To be fair the article does say that cars that are 3 years old in 25 were built at the tail end of the pandemic when supply chains were still a train wreck.

 

JD Power has several different surveys. I received and filled out one for Initial Quality on my 2021, but Long Term Reliability, like this one, is a different survey.

 

Marketing marketing…..let people known out there educate them what the AR car is all about. The 16th place on the list is ok for people who read it and know AR but the majority are in the dark and that’s the major problem I was asked at least 4-5 times what kind of car is that with compliments of a beautiful car.

 

I was talking to friend's wife this weekend who rented a Hornet in Orlando...turned out to be too small for 4 people on a trip...obviously. Anyway, I was explaining that it's a Tonale, etc etc. I could tell she had no idea what I was talking about.

 

Alfa has never understood advertising for the US like the Germans or Asians. Thus, no sales worth talking about.

The Brits were the same back in the day. I remember the sales manager of the local Seattle BMC dealership telling me that "if you have a great car, people will just come in". Sure. How did that work? I told him, you will have to advertise if you hope to sell. They didn't, and of course, they didn't.

 

Alfa has never understood advertising for the US like the Germans or Asians. Thus, no sales worth talking about.

The Brits were the same back in the day. I remember the sales manager of the local Seattle BMC dealership telling me that "if you have a great car, people will just come in". Sure. How did that work? I told him, you will have to advertise if you hope to sell. They didn't, and of course, they didn't.

Marketing is a complex animal. A lot of people thinks it's about coming up a catchy slogan, creating some flashy advertising, and blasting it out for the world to see, hoping customer will show up in droves. In reality, its a lot of analytics; understanding who the audience is, where they consume content, where your strengths are, and where your competitors weakness is. Lots of statistics/percentages/curves. Economics are considered. I know a at least a few Marketing majors who didn't realize there would be math involved Bottom line is that it's hard, and if you don't put the work in, you wind up with an ineffective strategy and waste a lot of money in the process. Advertising and Marketing go hand it hand, but they are not the same

 

I took the Giulia this morning for the seat belt recall sensor to the local Maserati /AR dealership here in Pensacola ,FL what a beautiful showroom lots room very modern on the floor they only had Maserati SUV about 4 of them no AR cars quite few outside. I mean you call your self AR dealership? And this in my opinion the dealership also are the blame some of them are contributing for the failure of the brand but AR itself are to blame for not give a damn not caring and supervise what is going on.

 

I’m sure the markup on the Maserati is a good bit higher lol

 

With the new 25% tariffs (predicted to last several years) being started by the present administration on imported products including cars, I think Alfa/Maser sales are going to tank to oblivion.

He wants US manufacturers to make more at home, but all that will do is increase the prices, as labor costs in the US are higher than other countries. And, as Fareed Zakaria has mentioned, it has been determined that the real money being made in a country is not from making products or supplying resources, say food products, but providing services at all levels, esp high tech as demonstrated by the US tech industry. Only several industries contribute to the balance of payments in a significant way, e.g. commerical aircraft.

So, I predict new Alfas/Masers in the US are a doomed effort.

 

With the new 25% tariffs (predicted to last several years) being started by the present administration on imported products including cars, I think Alfa/Maser sales are going to tank to oblivion.

He wants US manufacturers to make more at home, but all that will do is increase the prices, as labor costs in the US are higher than other countries. And, as Fareed Zakaria has mentioned, it has been determined that the real money being made in a country is not from making products or supplying resources, say food products, but providing services at all levels, esp high tech as demonstrated by the US tech industry. Only several industries contribute to the balance of payments in a significant way, e.g. commerical aircraft.

So, I predict new Alfas/Masers in the US are a doomed effort.

Wait a week and the tariffs will be gone. Or, everyone is in trouble. Even US built cars use foreign parts.

 

I always wonder about these surveys, but only because I can never relate.

For example:

I've owned Teslas (10) and Alfas (9), both since 2018. I've logged many, many more miles on the Alfas than on any Tesla with exception of the one Tesla we have left that's actually holding up extremely well... I think because it's a newer, SIMPLER Tesla (2023 SR3).

But, I've had WAY more problems with Teslas than any Alfa... as in NO problems with Alfa except 2 Giulia QVs needing fuel pumps (both 2017s) and my 2022 Giulia QV needing a super simple purge valve. Mind you the fuel pumps nor the purge valve ever left me stranded. I can't say the same for our P85D (stranded 3 times), S90D (stranded twice), 2020 M3P (stranded twice), 2021 SR+ (stranded once).

My Tesla problems are a long laundry list, so long that I can't remember them all... from mechanical failures, software failures, and simpler build quality failures such as I once had a passenger that couldn't get out because the rear left door on my LRRWD 3 wouldn't open from the inside thanks to the door-switch connector just "coming loose" behind the door panel (that's dangerous).

And I can say the same for VW as compared to other brands on this list that I've owned.

Example: My 2010 Jetta TDI has over 200,000 miles on it and has never needed anything but an alternator... and THAT's because service screwed up, so the replacement cost was on them. The damned thing is still on the original brake pads and rotors, though it's FINALLY time for a set of pads (the rotors look fine lol).

And that's not the only VAG product I've owned that has been maintenance/worry/trouble free.

Maybe I'm (people like us on the forums) just more attentive to my cars than the majority of people who just drive and drive and drive... never paying attention to anything until something breaks.