Official time of 7:35:579
Looks like all that acceleration, power, and beefed up suspension still can't overcome the sheer weight of the car.
Tesla Plaid Nurburgring lap
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Official time of 7:35:579
Looks like all that acceleration, power, and beefed up suspension still can't overcome the sheer weight of the car.
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Great result, but I always wonder why even car enthusiasts and automotive journalists seem to focus too much on raw numbers and overlook how the drive feels when clinching the times.
Perhaps the answer is that you can brag about numbers and everyone understands it, can't argue with that. Even we, Alfisti, do that when bragging about 7:32 which is still hard to beat in a 4 door saloon. But it's not the numbers that make Giulia special, it's the way it drives.
But in order to feel the nuances of how a car drives and appreciate it, you need to be an experienced driver, the one who 'gets it'.
I remember when I was a small kid the sportiest car of our dads was the one with the highest top speed on a speedo. This reminds me of nowadays car sportiness/capabilities comparisons based on 0-60, 40-160, etc. Even lap time records set by professional drivers on closed tracks don't tell me much about the experience. Did this professional pilot enjoy the car when setting the time or did he battle the car and hated every second, but it was still crazy fast?
I won't initiate launch control and do a lot of 0-60 or else on public roads. Yeah, it's fair that a sports car should have a reasonable 0-60, it will be a general indicator of capabilities, but fighting for each millisecond is a ridiculous exercise to me. Even 'normal' cars are crazy fast off the line right now. So speed is very devalued already. And even if I'll do track days, I would be interested in beating my own previous records in the same car, but setting the ultimate record for this track and fighting for each second won't be my goal, it's not my profession. My goal will be to have fun and to become a bit of a better driver. But the general public won't care about such things and I can't blame them, not everyone should be a car enthusiast.
If you go to tesla.com/models it right away tells you: 1.99s to 60, 200mph, 1020hp, and 0.208cd - the lowest drag on Earth. And it shows the interior and tech. People understand that and it appeals to them, great marketing by Tesla. And then you buy it, do launches, post it on IG and YT and it becomes viral and nothing else matters.
On a side note... Speaking of electric cars
I don't dislike electric cars, I actually think that it's a normal thing that the majority of drivers would love driving EC. Think about it, manufacturers producing luxury cars were innovating to solve the following things like forever: smoother and responsive automatic shifting, torque and responsiveness with the lack of jerkiness, engine quietness, lack of vibrations caused by the engine, fast heating, engines reliability, and so on. All those things matter a lot if we're speaking about products like Merc E class or say Audi A4 with 4 cylinder engine. Why would you want ICE in it compared to EC? That's why I genuinely understand why someone would want an EC.
What makes me sad though is that we, car enthusiasts, being in minoriy, simply don't have any choice while everyone's switching to ECs. We won't get special treatment from car manufacturers. Well, they aren't even allowed to do that, so...
Perhaps the answer is that you can brag about numbers and everyone understands it, can't argue with that. Even we, Alfisti, do that when bragging about 7:32 which is still hard to beat in a 4 door saloon. But it's not the numbers that make Giulia special, it's the way it drives.
But in order to feel the nuances of how a car drives and appreciate it, you need to be an experienced driver, the one who 'gets it'.
I remember when I was a small kid the sportiest car of our dads was the one with the highest top speed on a speedo. This reminds me of nowadays car sportiness/capabilities comparisons based on 0-60, 40-160, etc. Even lap time records set by professional drivers on closed tracks don't tell me much about the experience. Did this professional pilot enjoy the car when setting the time or did he battle the car and hated every second, but it was still crazy fast?
I won't initiate launch control and do a lot of 0-60 or else on public roads. Yeah, it's fair that a sports car should have a reasonable 0-60, it will be a general indicator of capabilities, but fighting for each millisecond is a ridiculous exercise to me. Even 'normal' cars are crazy fast off the line right now. So speed is very devalued already. And even if I'll do track days, I would be interested in beating my own previous records in the same car, but setting the ultimate record for this track and fighting for each second won't be my goal, it's not my profession. My goal will be to have fun and to become a bit of a better driver. But the general public won't care about such things and I can't blame them, not everyone should be a car enthusiast.
If you go to tesla.com/models it right away tells you: 1.99s to 60, 200mph, 1020hp, and 0.208cd - the lowest drag on Earth. And it shows the interior and tech. People understand that and it appeals to them, great marketing by Tesla. And then you buy it, do launches, post it on IG and YT and it becomes viral and nothing else matters.
On a side note... Speaking of electric cars
I don't dislike electric cars, I actually think that it's a normal thing that the majority of drivers would love driving EC. Think about it, manufacturers producing luxury cars were innovating to solve the following things like forever: smoother and responsive automatic shifting, torque and responsiveness with the lack of jerkiness, engine quietness, lack of vibrations caused by the engine, fast heating, engines reliability, and so on. All those things matter a lot if we're speaking about products like Merc E class or say Audi A4 with 4 cylinder engine. Why would you want ICE in it compared to EC? That's why I genuinely understand why someone would want an EC.
What makes me sad though is that we, car enthusiasts, being in minoriy, simply don't have any choice while everyone's switching to ECs. We won't get special treatment from car manufacturers. Well, they aren't even allowed to do that, so...
5 star safety rating with that bumper.
When you experience cheetah mode your respect for the car should go up if you are a auto enthusiast. Is it perfect? No, but it's a joy to be in.
I can tell you some flaws we have experienced with them in our shop but I'm talking body lines and paint quality, common Tesla issues. Overall it is well designed and put together with more attention to detail than other models under the T.
I can tell you some flaws we have experienced with them in our shop but I'm talking body lines and paint quality, common Tesla issues. Overall it is well designed and put together with more attention to detail than other models under the T.
Keep up or pass it? M5 with 40% less horsepower comes to mind.
also there’s zero irony in the fact that the S plaid is slow because it’s overweight with rare earth/non-renewable lithium products. Truly “green”.
The concrete banking in the famous Karussell is a legitimate part of the track. When you take driving lessons on the Ring they tell you to use the banking if you're after lap times or just want to experience it. Many on the well known "Touristenfahrt" just drive around the outside on the flat part, because the sentripetal forces in the "carousel" are high (of course depending on speed) and can launch the car right into the armco if you exit the banking too early. Don't ask me how I know this
There are probably pictures of me on the internet facing the wrong way in the Karussell in an Alfa 75.Then there is also the later small carousel ("Kleines Karussell"), and you can elect to use the banking on that too.
You can say what you want about the Nürburgring and the car makers' sometimes annoying focus on lap times there, but the track definitely "separates sh*t from cinnamon" as we say here, both for cars and drivers
Confusing. My understanding is that auto enthusiast and EVs are 180 degree opposite. I agree that EVs are fast. No discussion about that.
Well considering one is a person with feels and the other is a 4 wheeled laptop, I'll agree they are 180 degree opposite.
Sigh. I could say the same for anyone who prefers automatic over manual. There is room under the Car Nut tent for everyone.
Except around the Nurburgring....
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OT, but most folks in the USA are not aware that the Cinnamon sold in the USA is banned in Europe and probably most of the world. Cinnamon contains Coumarin, a prescription blood thinner. Except for the rather pricey and mild taste Ceylon Cinnamon, other varieties have enough Coumarin to have substantial health effects in dietary quantities. FWIW: need to pass a truck-driver blood pressure test? Eat some Cinnamon spiced foods for 2 days before your examination. My experience: 2 tea spoons of common USA supermarket cinnamon sprinkled on food over 2 days lowered my blood pressure by 20mm/Hg. I find that scary and avoid Cinnamon spice now. Some people have life threatening reactions to Coumarin so be warned.You can say what you want about the Nürburgring and the car makers' sometimes annoying focus on lap times there, but the track definitely "separates sh*t from cinnamon" as we say here, both for cars and drivers
OK, so I ruined Cinnamon toast for everybody in the USA now...
And now I have a craving for Cinnamon toast <arrggghh>.
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No, my guess is that bad handling and overheating are holding the Tesla back compared to the competition.
According to Porsche a Cayenne Turbo GT (2022 model) weighs 250 pounds more than a Tesla S plaid, has 400 fewer horsepower, and yet it beat the Tesla on the Wiki leader list.
However also according to Wikipedia there are 3 available lengths on the track. Lengths are 20.8, 20.6, and 19.1km for cars. The 19.1km is mostly for standing start "open driving" days. Some standardization started in 2019 for records. It is not clear to me what length Alfa Giulia QV or Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT ran. At 180MPH it takes about 2.5 seconds to traverse the 200m difference between 20.6 and 20.8km.
Well, I didn't know because it's not. Sounds like a myth. No cinnamons are banned in the EU or EEC, including the ubiquitous cassia cinnamon. Yes it's outright poisonous in massive doses, but so is water. There are mandatory max levels of coumarin in foodstuffs of course, just like for many, many other naturally occurring substances.
But cinnamon spice in itself isn't banned in Europe. Most things made with HFCS is, on the other hand. Make of it what you will.
P.S: I think the saying was partly lost in translation though. The english equivalent would probably be "separating the wheat from the chaff", but not quite.
The QV's 7.32 run in September 2016 was on the 20.6 km track (T13 to "the gantry"), and thus "officially unofficial" now
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OTOH:
Ceylon vs Cassia : 9 Important Things to Know about Cinnamon
Ceylon vs Cassia Cinnamon: The benefits and even adverse health effects of the 4 commercially available types of cinnamon will shock you.
paleofoundation.com
"Cassia cinnamon has high levels (about 0.4-0.8%) of coumarin, which is why some European countries have banned the Cassia variety. " OK, I missed the "some" qualifier. Well, also that link is an advertisement for Ceylon Cinnamon, so maybe a little biased.
What is HFCS?
did zee Germans move the goalposts to try and get the record off the charts ?LOLThe QV's 7.32 run in September 2016 was on the 20.6 km track (T13 to "the gantry"), and thus "officially unofficial" now
there are about fifty different configurations of the Ring - sooner or later they may build a sedan that can be quick around ONE of them
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Or as a friend proclaimed, maybe separating sand from spice? (reference new movie releases)
The 7:32.00 QV Record will be always in the NRing books. As of today, #40 of the Top 100.The QV's 7.32 run in September 2016 was on the 20.6 km track (T13 to "the gantry"), and thus "officially unofficial" now
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