Still slower than a QF.... How much does that car cost?

 

Twice the torque, twice the HP, almost twice the price, AWD and still slower.

 

Disappointing. A $129,990 electric car with a supposed top speed of 200 mph, a supposed 0-60 mph in 1.99 seconds and more than 1,000hp of power to deliver a 7:35:5 NRing Lap. Really?.

 

It seemed to have trouble reaching 270 km/h (168 mph), which the Giulia did.. with supposedly half the power. Something must be off, I suspect the 1000hp are available only for a quarter mile run but under sustained load (like multiple track laps) the power is dialed down to avoid overheating the batteries.

 

I can't wait to see a STLA-Large attacking the Nurburgring!

 

Still fast. But that weight is insurmountable. They just getting started. Eventually they will dial it in.

 

I skimmed through the Wiki, but couldnt find the exact spec of the "Model S Plaid", does anyone know the specs? (bhp, torque, weight, etc)
The Plaid has 1,020 horsepower (760 kW) and 1,050 pound-feet (1,420 N⋅m) of torque. It was independently tested by Motor Trend to go 0–60 mph (0–97 km/h) in 2.07 seconds (1.98 on a prepped drag strip) and cover a quarter-mile (400 m) in 9.34 seconds at 152.2 mph (244.9 km/h).[195] Tesla claims it will reach a 200 mph (320 km/h) top speed.
(Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S)

 

My 6 year old just said, "that car was all over the place, you can't race a tesla on the race track!" "Nothing can beat your Giulia Daddy, your car has 200 and 88 hp and is twice faster than a Tesla". 😂

 

I am amazed that they ran it with that stupid-ass steering wheel. No way you're maintaining control if an opposite lock situation arises...

 

Add on charging time to get the car back home and that quickly blows out to 1 hour 7 minutes 35 seconds

 

There are currently 6 Supercharger locations within 40 miles of the Nurburgring. The car finished the lap with 57% charge (over 200 miles of range). If they need to stop to get home, a charge to 80% takes about 15 minutes. I get your overall point, but infrastructure exists and the time is minimal.

That interior is terrible.

This is so clean and modern.

Plaid with CF:

Or non-Plaid gets Wood trim:

He is rich. But I think he made a mistake when he decided to make the cars instead of license the tech to all the big car companies and let them deal with production head aches. He would be twice as rich and extremely profitable

Well, he is the richest person in the world. He has on many occasions offered to license tech to legacy OEMs. I believe they are in discussions (not sure to what degree). Their CCS-supercharger network will be open to other manufacturers soon. They also made their patents open source in the beginning.

Producing the cars, creating the charging network, and Elon/the brand is the only reason why they are so popular and making such an impact on the industry. Tesla is a household name and a product people strive for (especially kids, they love Tesla and that will be bad for future ICE sales).

No one cares about Magna, Bosch, ZF, Delphi, etc. Suppliers do not move the needle. They are the ghostwriters for OEMs and their tech can be used, or squashed.

So the hot new Tesla still slower than the 5 year old qv.
F*ck EVs lol

Come on, they aren't in the same class. Make a QV 5,000 lbs and see how it does. It's not a fair comparison. They both have fast times for what they are.

I hope the STLA-Large QV is quicker...

 

Were those concrete banked turns there when Giulia QV made its record run? Is it really legal to run off track (at least two places) for record setting purposes? The driver seems to have done so intentionally.

There certainly is a lot of slip-n-slide going on; much more than the Giulia QV run. IMO it is not the weight but the suspension tuning that is at fault. Didn't an even heavier (5600 pound?) Audi Q7 match that performance?

 

The Karussell?

Mastering the Nürbugring's Most Famous Corner

From bumpy tarmac to banked concrete at the Caracciola Karussell, also known as the Carousel.

www.roadandtrack.com

 

one thing TeslaMusk will never allow to be recorded is the considerably slower lap time his "fully autonomous feature"* would achieve

*calling it Autopilot would be insult to pilots and to the History Of Aviation

 

That interior is terrible.

 

ghastly ambience
all that screen real estate and useless "information" at their disposal and he still needs an after market speedo whacked under his nose for the most basic of automotive function

which, by all logic, is the one thing you dont need during a record speed attempt - a speedometer !!!

- the irony and the stupidity all in one 7 minute clip

 

i thought this guy was meant to be clever

yeah, suk on it, Battery Boy

 

He is, in that he's making a ton of money and he's putting out a crap car that sells like crazy . I mean it has its merits and all but ugh.

 

He is rich. But I think he made a mistake when he decided to make the cars instead of license the tech to all the big car companies and let them deal with production head aches. He would be twice as rich and extremely profitable

 

sounds like the stoner guy sitting at the bar, sucking on a reefer, boasting that he owns a car company and a fleet of rocket ships,

Mexican druglord walks in (the guy that sold him the dope) ... and says ... "Ill toss you for it"

 

So the hot new Tesla still slower than the 5 year old qv.
F*ck EVs lol

 

Braking performance and tire choice limited this car. Im happy its slower than our QV officially but the QV had corsa tires and carbon brakes!!!

 

had an entire performance makeover - including an active spoiler to assist its dinosaur like braking - and still slower than our Qs

2022 Tesla Model S Plaid with ‘active aero’ laps Nurburgring

A special-edition version of the Tesla Model S Plaid has returned to Germany’s Nurburgring race-track-turned-test-track with active aerodynamic aids, sticky ‘semi-slick’ tyres, and race-bred carbon-ceramic brakes.

 

... barely able to beat a french hatchback

Watch Renault Mégane R.S. Trophy-R Set New FWD Nürburgring Record

 

History repeats itself ?

“There’s nothing the matter with me. It’s you! You’re crazy if you think this fool contraption you’ve been wasting your time on will ever displace the horse.”

Get A Horse! America’s Skepticism Toward the First Automobiles | The Saturday Evening Post

The inventor who claimed the first U.S. car ever sold recalls the birth of the industry and the general public skepticism about automobiles.

www.saturdayeveningpost.com

One day ICE cars will be like todays horse wagons, only used for nostalgia..

 

OR after the AI apocalypse we will be back to horses.

In the early days ICE had a tendency to blow up and/or break frequently down at random. I was told that the owners manual for a Stutz Bearcat included instructions for how to make and install replacement bottom end bearings while on the road. Something about needing tin snips and a tin can. It was pretty much the 1930s (40 years after the start) before you could expect to be able to drive cross-country without calamity and it was the (early) 1920s (30 years from the start) before cars really were substantially displacing horses. Tesla started selling cars 18 year ago, so if history repeats itself we should expect electric cars to start to become better than ICEs in the 2034-2044 time frame; years after politicians have mandated that only electric cars will be available to buy.

 

Yes , but when will Tesla's stop being ugly

 

I’m guessing Elon prefers to think of them as “distinctive”.

Tesla owners are even more defensive about their cars than Alfa owners, and they seem to need to prove themselves in traffic frequently.

 

you can almost smell the formaldehyde in that "pleather"

dead men dont wear plaid

 

WTF is the model S time being compared to the QV when it's a shit ton larger of a car.

 

Instead, watch this video. Or actually, do not watch it but, listen to it. That's the real difference. Music versus silence. Let alone the 7:32 versus 7:35, or the $82K versus $130K. Go ICE !!!!

Click Here and Listen !!!

 

Name a full size car like the Model S that can keep up with it on the track

 

Dumb question: there are 2 end points on the Nürburgring, Alfa took the farther/full loop one but did Tesla?

Now I see why I did not notice the concrete sections of the track in the Alfa run, the camera exposure is set wrong so that the track is hard to see.
I did not notice the Alfa going off pavement or the Alfa driver having to countersteer in practically every turn like the Tesla. Neither Tesla nor Alfa are as smooth on the track as "no drama, just fast" Lambo but from what I see Alfa is significantly smoother than Tesla in spite of the Alfa making the run faster.

 

Great result, but I always wonder why even car enthusiasts and automotive journalists seem to focus too much on raw numbers and overlook how the drive feels when clinching the times.
Perhaps the answer is that you can brag about numbers and everyone understands it, can't argue with that. Even we, Alfisti, do that when bragging about 7:32 which is still hard to beat in a 4 door saloon. But it's not the numbers that make Giulia special, it's the way it drives.

But in order to feel the nuances of how a car drives and appreciate it, you need to be an experienced driver, the one who 'gets it'.

I remember when I was a small kid the sportiest car of our dads was the one with the highest top speed on a speedo. This reminds me of nowadays car sportiness/capabilities comparisons based on 0-60, 40-160, etc. Even lap time records set by professional drivers on closed tracks don't tell me much about the experience. Did this professional pilot enjoy the car when setting the time or did he battle the car and hated every second, but it was still crazy fast?

I won't initiate launch control and do a lot of 0-60 or else on public roads. Yeah, it's fair that a sports car should have a reasonable 0-60, it will be a general indicator of capabilities, but fighting for each millisecond is a ridiculous exercise to me. Even 'normal' cars are crazy fast off the line right now. So speed is very devalued already. And even if I'll do track days, I would be interested in beating my own previous records in the same car, but setting the ultimate record for this track and fighting for each second won't be my goal, it's not my profession. My goal will be to have fun and to become a bit of a better driver. But the general public won't care about such things and I can't blame them, not everyone should be a car enthusiast.

If you go to tesla.com/models it right away tells you: 1.99s to 60, 200mph, 1020hp, and 0.208cd - the lowest drag on Earth. And it shows the interior and tech. People understand that and it appeals to them, great marketing by Tesla. And then you buy it, do launches, post it on IG and YT and it becomes viral and nothing else matters.

On a side note... Speaking of electric cars
I don't dislike electric cars, I actually think that it's a normal thing that the majority of drivers would love driving EC. Think about it, manufacturers producing luxury cars were innovating to solve the following things like forever: smoother and responsive automatic shifting, torque and responsiveness with the lack of jerkiness, engine quietness, lack of vibrations caused by the engine, fast heating, engines reliability, and so on. All those things matter a lot if we're speaking about products like Merc E class or say Audi A4 with 4 cylinder engine. Why would you want ICE in it compared to EC? That's why I genuinely understand why someone would want an EC.

What makes me sad though is that we, car enthusiasts, being in minoriy, simply don't have any choice while everyone's switching to ECs. We won't get special treatment from car manufacturers. Well, they aren't even allowed to do that, so...

 

I just saw this 1975 Tesla Model S in eBay. Simple and sophisticated at the same time. Love the Misano Blue exterior.

 

5 star safety rating with that bumper.