[Eagle7]

I have some additional details that I want everyone to know. I have compiled all the service records from the 2 dealerships that I take my car too. I used all theses records to find repeated issues that I have had.

Some commonly repeating issues that I have had include:
The drivers side tweeter speaker which has been replaced 5 times.
The door weather strips that have been replaced 3 times, and it is broken again now.
The entire headlight assemblies that have need replaced 3 times.
The coolant o-ring, which is a recall that has been "fixed" 3 times and is broken again now.

In addition to these commonly repeating issues, there have also been other more significant safety issues including:
The short brake failure followed by the pedal getting really stiff.
The car stalling while being driven.

All in all, after adding up the documentation that I have (which is not all of it), I have realized that the car has been to the dealership 24 times, and the car has spend a total of 58 days at the dealership. The car itself is only about 1 and a half year old (1 Year, 7 Months).

Just to put this into perspective, this means that the car has spent a little over 10% of its life at a dealership. The car spent 1 in every 10 days at a dealership. If we were to divide the number of days of ownership by the number of times that I have had to go to the dealership, it shows that, on average, I have had to go to the dealership about once every 23 days. Thats almost a little more than once a month.

With all this said, I absolutely love this car. Even after experiencing all the issues that I have experienced I am still in love with this car. I am just very fed up with the overall experience that I have had with this particular car. I have plenty of friends who have Giulia's, and haven't had any issues at all. I just don't feel safe in this particular vehicle with the number of issues that it has had, and the close call that I had 2 weeks ago.

You honestly expect us to believe that Alfa would authorize replacing all that stuff that many times in that short a period of time?? Do you know how much those headlight assemblies are? You make that horror story post just over a few things, and then all that other stuff happens and you don't bother to come in here and say anything? You make that many trips to dealers you claim are 150 miles away, and you say nothing? That is COMPLETELY out of character with the drama of your original post about "Alfa Romeo Customer Service: The Sad Truth Behind The Beautiful Grill" 
and now this one about a class action lawsuit.

You know what? Not only do I not believe you, I no longer care. I'm extremely happy with my Giulia and Alfa Romeo as a company. I'm done with this thread.

 

[Alwaysdutch]

What does "unless they are willing to work with us" mean?

You claim that Alfa "aren't actively fixing it", BUT you have spoken to a few people who have had their cars replaced? Isn't this "fixing it"? Sounds like a solution to me.

The owners were sufficiently confident and satisfied that they accepted new Alfas as the solution to the problem? Sounds like Alfa worked with them and that they "feel safe" in their new Giulia's.

Nobody who can afford a Giulia would accept just $1,200 as "hush money".

I have to agree that the stalling of the engine in combination with the electronic throttle error created an unsafe driving experience, but in my case, they replaced my 2017 Base Sport with an 2018 TI Sport, and were very helpful during the process, so I personally feel that AR has done whatever it took to make the customer feel satisfied.

Granted, I had a variety of other issues with the car, other than the ones mentioned above.

 

[Alfaholico]

My buddy's attorney

I think this guy may want to take this case on....If you need more info, shoot me a PM...

My buddy's name is Sol Rosenberg....his attorney is fabulous.....D

Go to YouTube Jerky Boys Punitive Damages

Careful not to *hit yourself

 

[alfa55]

Too funny D.....

 

[gregc57]

I laughed so hard 'my shoes fell off.....and my glasses'!
Greg

 

[lockem]

Is anybody else being driven nuts by the fact that the title of this thread implies the opposite of the OP's intent?

"Stalling Alfa's class action lawsuit."

Means "Let us stall the class action lawsuit that Alfa has filed".

 

[elquique]

Speak for yourself, I have people replying already

Let me help you. Post your VIN, I will run a CarFax. And if you had all these service issues, recalls, replacements, etc. I will give it a thought on making a fair offer for your car. I'd love to have two Giulias in my garage, so when I feel I want to be safe, I'll drive my perfectly working Giulia, and when I want to get an adrenaline rush I'll drive the randomly stalling Giulia.

 

[robertmee]

Is anybody else being driven nuts by the fact that the title of this thread implies the opposite of the OP's intent?

"Stalling Alfa's class action lawsuit."

Means "Let us stall the class action lawsuit that Alfa has filed".

Punctuation, completely changes the meaning: "Stalling: Alfa Class Action Lawsuit"

 

[Alfaholico]

Punctuation, completely changes the meaning: "Stalling: Alfa Class Action Lawsuit"

Actually...it's the misuse of the "apostrophe"....

By adding the apostrophe after Alfa, the verb's (stalling) meaning is altered and rather than it referring to cars that stall, it does in fact, as lockem so eloquently pointed out, becomes an action of "stopping or impeding the progress of" a Corporate Lawsuit that Alfa has embarked upon because the apostrophe makes the "Alfa" possessive, where it should be plural....

He merely needed to add an "s" , without the apostrophe, so as to clarify the thought of multiple Alfas stalling...rather than Stalling Alfa's Class Action Law Suit (implying that Corporate Alfa was initiating a Class Action Lawsuit that he,in fact, was looking to impede or get them to cease and decist .....D

 

[lockem]

I wonder if the UA4 recall is related to this? It seems likely.

I'm surprised that UA4 does not include any physical protection against consequences of the cat overheating.

 

[pradeept08]

To everyone that doubted me, here is an article that was published yesterday. https://jalopnik.com/alfa-romeo-giulia-and-stelvio-face-recall-for-loss-of-p-1829389488

 

[Swissalfa]

To everyone that doubted me, here is an article that was published yesterday. https://jalopnik.com/alfa-romeo-giulia-and-stelvio-face-recall-for-loss-of-p-1829389488

I think it was less of an issue of doubting you and more of an issue with your approach to dealing with the problem. Starting a class action lawsuit is the last resort. For you it seemed like the first. You said you had a number of CELs before the event. You would clear them and keep going instead of going to the dealer. If you had taken it to the dealer, the dealer may have diagnosed and repaired the problem. Secondly after the event you were’t just satisfied with the dealer repairing the problem. You wanted more. You claim your concern was the safety of others yet you did not seem interested in filing a complaint with the safety regulators. Also a number of comments suggested that you weren’t the best candidate to start a class action lawsuit because of the mods you made, prior clearing of CELs etc. The good news is that the fix seems to be quick and simple.

 

[JohnnyTheBeast]

To everyone that doubted me, here is an article that was published yesterday. https://jalopnik.com/alfa-romeo-giulia-and-stelvio-face-recall-for-loss-of-p-1829389488

My dude, they're literally releasing a fix for the problems you claim to be having.

Take the car to the dealer and have them perform all the necessary updates on the car.



Should you have any more of these problems, which I am almost certain you won't, only then would I entertain the idea that this matter needs to be discussed any further.

Till Then, Good Luck.

-Johnny

 

[lockem]

Probably not as simple as just doing an update. The problem is that some PCM issue causes the cat to overheat which then damages the wiring. Once a problem caused by this fault appears some piece of wiring needs to be replaced. Wiring harnesses vary from easy to extremely difficult to replace.

 

[Chris@Eurocompulsion]

Just asking for clarification here without going off on a tangent regarding the "will absolutely stall" statement. I am familiar with piggyback units. They range from cheap to well thought out and calibrated items.

If the unit fails or say one of the connectors is compromised, would not it be the same as the factory ECU not get a reading from the relevant/affected sensor which would flag up a CEL and put car into N mode or at worst limp mode? For example the sensors used usually are Manifold Air Pressure, Boost pressure, Exhaust manifold temperature etc. which when fail are unlikely to cause stalling. An engine should/would not stall just because a sensor fails but rather if the combustion fails, hence the repairs all pointing to a failed or faulty fuel pump? The complexity of the Giulia fuel tank system probably adds to the mix as well perhaps!

Isn't stalling usually indicative of either a fuelling issue or vacuum leak?

The sensors that these units typically plug into are:

Boost pressure sensor - If connection fails/unit fails will cause multitude of CEL/DTCs.

Intake Manifold pressure sensor - If connection fails/unit fails will cause multitude of CEL/DTCs.

Cam Shaft Position Sensor - If connection fails/unit fails will cause engine to stall/stop. No start condition will exist.

If the main unit fails, signal will be cut for all 3 sensors. If specific connection fails, see above.I agree there are quality units and there are cheap units out there.

They work but are limited in scope in what can be altered and performance gains delivered.

 

[Remy Medranda]

My car has stalled from time to time....
I can attest to this happening when using Remote Start... Also just on cold days. it's completely shut off.

 

[Triumph23]

Just asking for clarification here without going off on a tangent regarding the "will absolutely stall" statement. I am familiar with piggyback units. They range from cheap to well thought out and calibrated items.

If the unit fails or say one of the connectors is compromised, would not it be the same as the factory ECU not get a reading from the relevant/affected sensor which would flag up a CEL and put car into N mode or at worst limp mode? For example the sensors used usually are Manifold Air Pressure, Boost pressure, Exhaust manifold temperature etc. which when fail are unlikely to cause stalling. An engine should/would not stall just because a sensor fails but rather if the combustion fails, hence the repairs all pointing to a failed or faulty fuel pump? The complexity of the Giulia fuel tank system probably adds to the mix as well perhaps!

Isn't stalling usually indicative of either a fuelling issue or vacuum leak?

The sensors that these units typically plug into are:

Boost pressure sensor - If connection fails/unit fails will cause multitude of CEL/DTCs.

Intake Manifold pressure sensor - If connection fails/unit fails will cause multitude of CEL/DTCs.

Cam Shaft Position Sensor - If connection fails/unit fails will cause engine to stall/stop. No start condition will exist.

If the main unit fails, signal will be cut for all 3 sensors. If specific connection fails, see above.I agree there are quality units and there are cheap units out there.

They work but are limited in scope in what can be altered and performance gains delivered.

Thanks for the clarification Chris. The module am using is Novitec Powerjet 4. Novitec now owned by Squadra Sportiva have been around for a while and doing Alfas for ages. They are top notch as far as tuning modules go and have one fitted to their own Giulia. This one uses Boost pressure, Intake manifold sensor and Exhaust temp sensor. I fitted it myself so can confirm the sensors used. My judgement is there is a 20% improvement in power. Runs well, pulls well and no DTCs. Of course the enhancement is limited by design as you say.

We haven't had any cases of stalling cars of either the 200hp or 280hp engines over here in the UK forum. So I find it strange the number even if only a handful of stalling in the USA, could it be something to do with the different fuel used there or else have Alfa mapped it slightly differently there?

 

[nowrx]

To everyone that doubted me, here is an article that was published yesterday. https://jalopnik.com/alfa-romeo-giulia-and-stelvio-face-recall-for-loss-of-p-1829389488

Have you been putting 87 octane in your car?
Now that I read up on this recall(due to people here), this latest recall is to prevent misfires and stalls due to knock, and misfires (I.E. early detonation related situations).
It freaked me out, but not only am I religious about always putting 93 in a forced-air vehicle, I also make sure I get it from a "reputable supplier", like Sunoco, Shell, Exxon Mobile etc.
I do not go to any "best bang for the buck" station...exactly for that reason..the bang!

This recall scared the daylights outa me...but it seems that it handles timing in a more conservative way for those who took "Premium" gas as a recommendation, and not a requirement. That being said...AR's fault is in verbiage in the manual, not in the design.

I have both Stelvio and Giulia, so I am twice as "terrified" as your normal owner...but these two platforms are sublime, and we all jumped in heads first into an unknown.
Dude! you inspired a lot of us to change our exhaust systems, and now you are berating a brand new platform?
My Brand New W205 Mercedes C300 (first gen 2015) was in the shop for Battery failure, overheating due water pump failure, suspension issues, electric issues, COMAND Center failure, STEERING FAILURE(YES, STEERING WHILE I WAS DRIVING), Infotainmet system complete breakdown, sunroof mechanism failure, bad tires(really? YES)
The new W205 from 2016 and on, have none of these issues because they were corrected. I still paid just as much for that MB as this Giulia, and MB gave me a $2000 check towards any new MB, which I didn't take, because the Giulia stole my heart.

I am not at a great place right now, but I knew this going in buying a brand new platform, and there are growing pains.
I modded the crap out of my 2011 WRX after 300 miles because of a 13 year old engine that proved to be bullet proof (even though some EJ25 were throwing rods in 2012).
In fact, COBB ECU tunes for 2011 and up EJ25 proved to be more efficient, and less lean than stock tune, and helped the longevity of the block.

Lastly- All of us here want really awesome Alfas, not a couple of $$ in our pockets. Early adopters cannot be picky unless they have no clue that they are exactly that----first. If the manufacturer is on it, trying to alleviate issues, that is all we can ask for.

Sorry for the length, but I had to put it out there.

 

[gregc57]

When I demoed my car we had to stop and put gas in it. The dealer put 87 octane in. I bought the car but couldn’t wait to get 93 in the tank. 87 is going to increase the likelihood of these problems.

 

[lockem]

I wonder if the scenario is something like this:

Fill up with low octane gas.
PCM retards timing to prevent detonation.
Under some conditions the retarded timing causes misfires.
Fuel dumped into cat, cat overheats.

I also wonder if any kind of "pops and bangs" mod for the Giulia 2.0T is wise. Isn't the idea behind pops and bangs to let enough fuel and air enter the cat that it explodes in there? Maybe something is required to ignite the fuel/air before it reaches the cat?

Lastly, there is *a lot* of E5 and E10 fuel out there. In California it is pretty close to impossible to avoid at least E5 (does anybody know if this actually helps with smog on modern cars? I have to wonder if the ethanol makes the particulate problem of a DI engine worse). In this "that is obnoxious" category, for 1 fill up my Subaru got about 22 MPG instead of its usual 31 MPG (highway). I strongly suspect that the wrong fuel was put in the storage tanks at the filling station, and I got a fill up of E85. That would be sooo not good for Giulia, but it is going to happen from time to time.