In speaking to my dealer about the lease terms, the turn-in tires should be equivalent to the original fitment, and preferably the same original fitment tires.

Therefore, they should be run-flats at a minimum, all 4 matching.

Your lease terms may be different, of course.

Be aware the P7 Cinturatos are only good for around 13-15k miles, so keep that in mind in the context of your lease duration. It might make sense to replace them before they are too worn and keep them just to use for turn in.

Regarding replacements, I suggest sticking with RFs as there is no accommodation for a spare, unless you just don’t venture far.

Michelin offer the Primacy MXM4 ALl Season runflat with a 30k mi warranty at about the same cost as stock P7s.

 

Seems staying with my staggered (non-rotatable P7 RF tires is the way to go. I guess my question now is, what tire brand options do I have in RF tire selection once my Perelli‘s need replacement? Seems they they won’t last with the allowed return tire wear minimum before my 3 year lease ends?

 

I have non-RFT tires on my Q4, combined with a flat-fix kit and AAA road side insurance. In my area flats are fairly rare, although I did get a screw in the sidewall of one of my new non-RFT tires less than 1000 miles after it was installed.

non-RFT tires are lighter than run flats. The reduced unsprung weight yields a marked decrease in wheel hop (tire tread bouncing off of the pavement), making acceleration on rough surfaces more predictable. Oh, and RFTs cost more.

I only managed to get 8600 miles out of my OEM set of tires. If I had rotated the tires I might have gotten a bit more.

 

It’s important to understand that no type of flat repair kit (i.e. plug or sealant) is a substitute for a spare, whereas RFs are. Also, flat repair kits can be used in conjunction with RFs to extend utility.

Just last week, I took a 1” sidewall cut from pothole. No emergency flat repair mit would have made the tire driveable, but the P7 runflats allowed me to drive to the nearest exit, assess the damage and options, and then continue to drive on to the best location to deal with the situation, which turned out to be a 56mi AAA tow back home. On convential tires and no spare, I’d have been stuck on the highway with only 1 option...provided I had a phone and service coverage. In any case, I’d have been stuck with conventional rubber.

I’ll also address Lockem’s other points about lighter weight, wheel hop and predictable acceleration by saying that I’m currently running the quickest 2.0L on the forum right now (see 0-60 thread), and if those points aren’t purely theoretical, they’re pure hokum.

It may also be worth noting the QV’e P-Zero Corsa AR tires are RF as well.

 

I’ve had 3 flats (slow leaks) on the original Corsa ARs on my QV. I would not have driven them flat or with less than 50% pressure for more than 100 yards at walking speed. Would not consider them RF by any means......

 

I just replaced my Pirellis with Michelin MXM4 RF tires ( got 29000 miles on the Pirellis - I don't race, just enjoy driving the vehicle at 75 yrs old). The Michelins are good , hold the road well but have a little stiff over rough roads. Was going to go with non RFs but opted to be safe with no spare on board.

 

I work and drive through areas I wouldn't want to be broken down in, so runflats it is for me.

 

Are you sure that the Michelin Primacy MXM4 All Season are run-flats? I just checked tirerack and they don't indicate that they are RF.

 

The frickin' tire biz is so sketchy, no, i'm not sure, but it sure does seem like it's RF. Apparently the MXM4 run flat carries the "ZP" designation...at least at Tire Rack.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...n&tireModel=Primacy+MXM4+ZP&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=24VR9MXM4PXLZP&tab=Sizes

It's beyond me why you can't search at Tire Rack or Discount Tire by tire make and model and see all variants. I can't understand why the Michelin website does not offer such basic info on the tire specs. It's a fuckin' fishy as ****.

 

That explains it. I was looking for 18 inch, and that Primacy MXM4 tire is NOT RF --- too bad - thanks

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...rch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Alfa+Romeo&autoYear=2018&autoModel=Giulia+Q4

 

I'm not sure about that, specifically, that there is no 18" Primacy MXM4 run flat variant. Amazon lists this one:

Again, why it's so hard to get specific and accurate information about important tire features is beyond me, but it reeks, dare I say, of collusion between manufacturers and retailers.

In any case, I'd never buy tires online except, perhaps, if I could be certain of what I was getting, and I don't know how a retailer could assure me of that. I buy exclusively from a local shop or dealer where I can have immediate and in-person recourse if there's a mistake.

EDIT: also, if you search Tire Rack by size for 225 45r 18 and then filter results for run flat only, that MXM4 ZP comes up, although the tire detail page makes no mention of it being run flat.

 

There is hope after all. Although I'm not in immediate need of tires yet, I'm a Michelin fan and has always been my first choice.

As far as online tire purchases, my Porsche bud has done Tirerack a couple times. Said that it was painless and still got good installation service (and he is very picky).

Thanks again.

 

You're welcome.

I'm a Porsche guy, too-- two 928s, one supercharged to 478hp at the wheels-- but it's not about being picky because I drive Porsches, it's about getting the tire you want. As an additional example of the inherent uncertainty regarding the run flat issue we've been discussing, should a QV owner be indiscriminate about whether their Pirelli P-Zero Corsas are Pirelli P-Zero Corsa AR or Pirelli P-Zero Corsa? If the AR variant has particular and unique specifications, e.g. tread formulation, run flat, construction, then probably they should.

I don't know if you've been in tire shop, but I've no doubt that the people who work at an online place like Tire Rack are just as vulnerable to not understanding the importance of certain details and being hamstrung by the availability of info and resources as those in a brick and mortar, which I've seen happen live and in-person. That's not to say mistakes will happen, only that they might.

 

I understand what you are saying. At the same time, I doubt most tire shops are in-the-know about AR specific tires. I think that's why there are forums like this. When it's time for tires, I will ask the question here and go with recommendations by tire experts like yourself.

I'm actually laughing out loud right now. There is nothing about these cars that makes purchasing stuff even as simple as wiper blades without it being a research project (if you don't want to buy directly from the dealer).

 

There is nothing about these cars that makes purchasing stuff even as simple as wiper blades without it being a research project (if you don't want to buy directly from the dealer).

Yup. O'Reilly's had the driver-side blade in stock but not the passenger.

 

I blush at being called a tire expert, which I'm not, but yeah, I hear you on the research project thing! Hahaha!

 

I actually have more mileage on google looking for AR Giulia stuff than I have on my car. Time for a drive....

 

I have 19" and yes they are rf - they have the zp designation

 

You have a qv?

 

no I have a Ti.

 

There may be some Pirelli run flats but QV’s at least in 2017 shipped only with PZero Corsas and they are absolutely not run flats. Also you can’t plug and patch to my knowledge a run flat. I have had at least one of my rears plugged and patched. They are performance summer tires. They have the inflator and goo as your temporary fix. Run flats were standard on all the other Giulia trims. I asked about run flats since I know they are better than they use to be and it was recommended if you could find the set up to not do run flats on the QV. I went back and read my original post. The 434 price was off. Over 550 at the dealership. Much cheaper at discount tire but I was in a bind because i hit a nail and she was flat as a pancake.

 

I think run flats are only standard on the TI's with staggered wheels, at least that's what it shows on Alfa USA. My sport certainly does not have them.

 

Negative. Mine is square w/ runflats.

 

Same here. I have a non-sport TI with base 18" double y spoke wheels and Bridgestone runflats.

 

Same for me, Ti with 18” square setup and run flats.

 

I rotated my P7 Cinturatos per AR recommended interval at 10,000 miles. Went to dealer asked for 20,000 mi service, brake line inspection recall with just over 21200 miles on the odometer. When we talked after service was complete, he said tires were at 3/32", they didn't rotate them because that is when they recommend replacement. Maybe could've done better with 5000 mile intervals, I don't know. Researched it to death, decided I didn't want another set of P7's for $240 each plus installation and expected 21k to maybe 25k mikes. Bought Michelin Pilot A/S 3+ for $211 each, plus installation. They have 45000 mile warranty. Ordered a Slime tire sealant-compressor kit from Amazon and put it in the trunk before I went to Discount Tire. Used DT credit card and another rebate, will get 15% back as Visa prepaid card. I can't manage every risk factor, one time I drove through a patch of nails on the road on the way to the beach, had three slowly leaking tires simultaneously and had to drive to nearest tire shop for repair. I'm comfortable with my choice and the tire ride and reduced noise were amazing on the way home. Non run flats or just new tires with 10/32" tread? I don't know but so far I like the idea of skipping one $1000 tire replacement between now and the next 40,000 miles. I own, don't lease, so no worries there. Just did the change yesterday at Discount Tire in Dublin, OH and the wheels were unscathed and I notice a lot fewer wheel weights than were installed on the OEM P7s. As they say figuratively and i say literally, your mileage may vary.

 

I would highly recommend a 5,000 mile rotation on square RF cars. I did 7,500 and it showed in interior edge wear on the two that had been on the front twice. 22,500 on the P7 RF 18’s doesn’t bother me, as I drive reasonably aggressively. Replaced them with the same P7 AR spec RF for $185 a tire at Discount Tire. With a 5,000 mile rotation, I expect to get about 25,000 out of them.

 

I might've gone your route with same tires and 5000 mi rotations, but they were $240 at my local Discount Tire; with 15% off still $204. My dealer said he could only rotate back for front on same side of car, I read in the past that wasn't a "real rotation", i.e., not as effective as other patterns. I know you HAVE to do that with unidirectional tires. What pattern did you use to rotate? With Giulia Ti Q4 being rear wheel biased, should rears go to front same side, then cross rears to front or an "X" pattern: right front exchange with left rear, left front exchange with right rear? Thanks, - John K.

 

I re-read your post, mine were 19" tires, so I wasn't comparing apples to apples. Curious about rotation pattern you used or are planning to follow, thanks!

 

Also! (I didn't realize I was already in the run flat thread) I just checked my tires to see if they are directional or not, and they say "Bridgestone RFT caution never operate run flat tires without a tire pressure monitor..." on the freaking side. I have run flats?! son of a b the dealer told me they were definitely NOT run flats. Not that it would have been a deal breaker but I did not want them.


That being said the ride is not as noticeably worse as I thought it would be.. That means I can only look forward towards a better ride once I get the chance to dump them.

Being a RF noob, how can you even tell if you have a flat if the tire runs while flat?

 

The TPMS warning?

 

Omg

 

omg, how could I not know I was running on run flats?

omg, how can I not know what a flat is like with a run flat?

omg, how could I have accidentally bought a red 2006 Toyota Celica thinking it was a 2018 Giulia and sign up on the Giulia forums to mingle with all the other owners? what omg?

 

Are the Madness front camber adjustment adapters available yet?

 

Wheels and tires

Where can I get a kit for my Giulia to convert from RFT to conventional tires? I would want a space saver spare + a jack and wrench. Thanks

 

Where can I get a kit for my Giulia to convert from RFT to conventional tires? I would want a space saver spare + a jack and wrench. Thanks

What advantage are you after, out of curiosity, from switching to conventional rubber? More tire choice?