Get custom made forged wheels. Many of us went with BSPK (John4C) wheels as everything can be customized and price is great.

 

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thanks but i would not consider aftermarket rims. i feel the designs alfa provides are just the right way to go

 

I prefer smaller wheels. I have 19x9” and 19x8” staggered wheels for the summer and then 18x8” for winter tires.

17s would be even better.

 

If you keep the same diameter and width the car will retain most of the driving dynamics going from 17 to 19. But ride comfort might go down because the tires now have less sidewall to cushion the car.

I think the 17 inch wheels look ridiculous on this kind of car and most luxury cars/performance don`t even offer 17 inch wheels anymore for a reason. I would move to a 19 inch for sure.

 

yeah but you cannot really keep the same width when going from 17 to 19. tired for 19 inch rims are significantly wider so it should provide better traction. At the same time, ( i know this is not something most people consider) the weight on wheels is critical because it gets amplified by the rotation

but I do understand your point of looking ridiculous - i feel the same from an estethics pov.

 

There is always going to be a trade-off. In this case it comes down to if you care about looks or performance in this mod. You will be sacrificing comfort but you may actually like the feel... may be a bit more communicative with the lower profile and assuming wider tires. You may have a little more road noise come through the tires. But for us with 19s on I think most of us will say it's fine for a sports sedan.

You may lose a 2... 3 tenths of a second maybe in acceleration? I don't know if you will be able to feel it? But on the flip side you'll be able to feel good how the car looks with the larger tires if that's what you are aiming for.

 

Some visual...

 

18" lusso wheels vs 19" five hole wheels (painted in gloss black) for reference

 

The Lusso wheels are the only time I'd go over the stock 17s. I've never liked the black or dark gray look in wheels. Too
scifi darth vader for my tastes.

 

The John4C forged wheels are available in a design that is very similar to the 5 holes. They are markedly lighter than OEMs.
With 19" wheels the car is more responsive, but you do end up with less cushion against things like pot holes.

 

17s are going to be a downgrade in terms of driving characteristics unless you're also using a smaller tire. If you try to maintain the same tire circumference with a 17" as you'd have with the 19" the car is going to feel sluggish.

Do 17s even fit over the calipers?

Edit: Also, don't drastically reduce the tire circumference, it'll mess up the car's gearing and speedometer completely.

 

they fit..barely

as for driving characteristics..i'm not sure...that's why i'm looking for feedback from people that had a chance to try both (especially if the smaller rims were the forged ones) - i think they were never available in the US - only european lower speced models

 

One Option for 19" forged wheels -Bespoke designs not OEM copies- Made in Spain under strict EU regulation. Reasonably priced as well.

But 17" yes will be a higher performer for sure. We can likely make a 17-18" wheel in these too.

Llagos CATTIVO FORGED WHEELS Giulia/Stelvio and 4C

Please call or email to order. Pricing Starts @ $4,750 PER SET. These are customized with a production time of around 3 weeks alfissimo@alfissimo.com

shop.alfissimo.com

 

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Another Option for 19" forged wheels -Bespoke designs not OEM copies- Made in Spain under strict EU regulation. Reasonably priced as well.



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But 17" yes will be a higher performer for sure. We can likely make a 17-18" wheel in these too.

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Llagos CATTIVO FORGED WHEELS Giulia/Stelvio and 4C

Please call or email to order. Pricing Starts @ $4,750 PER SET. These are customized with a production time of around 3 weeks alfissimo@alfissimo.com

shop.alfissimo.com

this is very interesting - they do indeed look pretty wicked - thanks for your suggestion!

 

The 17 in factory wheels don't look good and make the car drive more like a luxury cruiser than sport sedan

 

Are you primarily tracking or is it more of a daily driver? I do not track my car and by no means am I an expert on tire/wheel set up, but I am having a hard time trying to understand the “reminder” you keep getting in regard to the detriments of going with a wider, potentially heavier (better looking) wheel.

Under normal to even spirited driving and launching, there are quite a few other factors at play besides unsprung wheel weight tire/wheel size that are giving you that seat of the pants feel as well as the nimble character,driving dynamics, and 0-62 times you are concerned about losing. For what you seem to be pursuing, and no disrespect to those who think otherwise, I am not convinced under normal to spirited conditions that there would be any significant change for the worse( including acceleration) even with the heavier stock 19” staggered 5 holes vs your 17 “ wheels. John and Alfissimo options are also awesome too and appear to be lighter. Is it possible for you to test drive a car with 19’s??

I have the staggered 19 - dark 5 holes (225/40/front-255/35/rear ) I love them but kinda wish they were bright instead of dark. Anyhoo, I went through my p zero run flat summer tires and then put on all season continental dws06 plus-non run flats. I am totally fine with the continentals and I like them more than the p zeros . I have a lot of respect for what everyone says here but for me I could not tell a crap of a difference driving it around in hot florida or cooler massachusetts, despite me reading about folks who saw “drastic” differences vs the summer tires. Maybe I am just not at their skill level, but in my case my own limitations, my body weight, passengers and cargo are more of a “pro/con” factor in handling than my tires/wheels. If I want to reduce weight , I lay off carbs and sugar and drive alone without a lot of processed foods in the trunk.

So dude-get what you like the looks of and good luck 🙂 - life is too short for smaller, lighter tires

 

Are you primarily tracking or is it more of a daily driver? I do not track my car and by no means am I an expert on tire/wheel set up, but I am having a hard time trying to understand the “reminder” you keep getting in regard to the detriments of going with a wider, potentially heavier (better looking) wheel.

Under normal to even spirited driving and launching, there are quite a few other factors at play besides unsprung wheel weight tire/wheel size that are giving you that seat of the pants feel as well as the nimble character,driving dynamics, and 0-62 times you are concerned about losing. For what you seem to be pursuing, and no disrespect to those who think otherwise, I am not convinced under normal to spirited conditions that there would be any significant change for the worse( including acceleration) even with the heavier stock 19” staggered 5 holes vs your 17 “ wheels. John and Alfissimo options are also awesome too and appear to be lighter. Is it possible for you to test drive a car with 19’s??

I have the staggered 19 - dark 5 holes (225/40/front-255/35/rear ) I love them but kinda wish they were bright instead of dark. Anyhoo, I went through my p zero run flat summer tires and then put on all season continental dws06 plus-non run flats. I am totally fine with the continentals and I like them more than the p zeros . I have a lot of respect for what everyone says here but for me I could not tell a crap of a difference driving it around in hot florida or cooler massachusetts, despite me reading about folks who saw “drastic” differences vs the summer tires. Maybe I am just not at their skill level, but in my case my own limitations, my body weight, passengers and cargo are more of a “pro/con” factor in handling than my tires/wheels. If I want to reduce weight , I lay off carbs and sugar and drive alone without a lot of processed foods in the trunk.

So dude-get what you like the looks of and good luck 🙂 - life is too short for smaller, lighter tires

Thanks for chipping in. I do track it sometimes maybe 2-3 times per year but i ain't no pro so it's mostly a daily driver.

I hear your points - and they make sense - I guess driving one with 19 would solve my mistery once in for all - maybe just schedule a test drive as i have no friends with Giulias

Looks wise.. no convincing needed -any car is just night and day with large vs smaller rims.

 

Hey all, would be great to get some input from someone who actually made this transition but here's my dilema:

My 2.0 Giulia Super comes with 17 inch forged wheels - my mechanic is very keen on their dynamic proprieties - they are allegedly extremely light compared to a non-forged wheel - and increase the nimble character of the vechicle.

I'm obivously not a fan of the looks compared to say..the 5 hole ones - but I keep on getting reminded that the character of the car will change significantly and if I care more about driving dynamics rather than looks I should stick to the smaller forged ones.

Has anyone made this switch and is kind enough to share what changed from their perspective? He also mentioned my 0-62 times will be higher..but at the same time the 17 inch don't seem to be able to put the power down correctly to begin with!

Would love to hear your stories!

The size of the wheel does not mean that it would be heavier or lighter than a smaller wheel. The differences in performance is based on the actually weight of the wheels in question and by how much the difference including the weight of the tires; which can vary among tires brands even at the same sizes.

Generally a lighter set of wheels and tires will have less unsprung weight on the suspension so the suspension will respond quicker to road changes and provide better handling. This is all based on the actually weight difference of the tire/wheel sets being compared.

 

You're right - but if you know you're starting from pretty much the lightest possible setup (forged 17 without runflat tires) you can't really hope to find a 19 that would be lighter or same weight...

 

Hey all, would be great to get some input from someone who actually made this transition but here's my dilema:

My 2.0 Giulia Super comes with 17 inch forged wheels - my mechanic is very keen on their dynamic proprieties - they are allegedly extremely light compared to a non-forged wheel - and increase the nimble character of the vechicle.

I'm obivously not a fan of the looks compared to say..the 5 hole ones - but I keep on getting reminded that the character of the car will change significantly and if I care more about driving dynamics rather than looks I should stick to the smaller forged ones.

Has anyone made this switch and is kind enough to share what changed from their perspective? He also mentioned my 0-62 times will be higher..but at the same time the 17 inch don't seem to be able to put the power down correctly to begin with!

Would love to hear your stories!

I met in the middle and have 18" staggered turbines.

My Super originally came with dull unfinished cast iron looking 17"s, but as part of my purchase deal, I had them swapped out for the still superb looking turbines. Over 6 years later, I haven't tired of them.

The basement base here originally came with 16" wheels. Now that was a laugh of note . Made the car look like a shopping trolley 🛒.

Our roads generally are pretty poor, except our motorways which are superb, so I've not wanted anything lower profile than I have now. The 18" suit me and they look great imho...

 

I wouldn’t worry about any performance issues with a sedan. No amount of forged, size, tires etc is going to drastically change the car. You’ll spend thousands to gain .2 of increase at best. Anyone convincing you that there is a substantial performance gain on a 2.0 with tire set up is fooling them selves. So you gained a second in your HPDE session while wearing burkinstocks and Alfa puddle lights. Great. Buy what wheels look good and make you happy and don’t worry about losing .2s in a car that runs 0-62 in over 5 seconds anyways. You’ll still beat the Nissan Altima and Honda accords.

 

I hear you, but my 2020 19in dark silver wheels do not have any of the quality issues you described. Do you have proper listing(or proof) for the OEM 19in sport wheels actually weight and construction to make the claims you are making?

I am not being defensive or confrontational, but you are making claims about the stock 19in performance wheel upgrade without any supporting references.

John's wheel thread has some weights for the stock 19" 5 holes in QV sizing versus forged options. https://www.giuliaforums.com/thread...fully-custom-lightweight-inexpensive-forged-wheels.58644/#nested_reply_top_post

I never had my 5 holes without tires on them, but my 19x8 5 holes with tires were slightly heavier than my 19x10 OZ's with tires. I had the weights written down somewhere but it's been years now. The OZ's aren't forged either, they're just good castings.

Basically I'm saying there's no indication the stock 19 5 holes are anything more than standard gravity cast wheels. Crossovers with 19s will be slightly heavier than them simply from needing to be stronger with a higher axle load rating from worse weight distribution and extra luggage capacity, but they're just standard cast.

Buy what wheels look good and make you happy

I don't disagree with this. There's no super drastic change from shaving 5 pounds a wheel. I do really enjoy the handling from the wider tires though.

 

duplicated post

 

John's wheel thread has some weights for the stock 19" 5 holes in QV sizing versus forged options. https://www.giuliaforums.com/thread...fully-custom-lightweight-inexpensive-forged-wheels.58644/#nested_reply_top_post

I never had my 5 holes without tires on them, but my 19x8 5 holes with tires were slightly heavier than my 19x10 OZ's with tires. I had the weights written down somewhere but it's been years now. The OZ's aren't forged either, they're just good castings.

Basically I'm saying there's no indication the stock 19 5 holes are anything more than standard gravity cast wheels. Crossovers with 19s will be slightly heavier than them simply from needing to be stronger with a higher axle load rating from worse weight distribution and extra luggage capacity, but they're just standard cast.


I don't disagree with this. There's no super drastic change from shaving 5 pounds a wheel. I do really enjoy the handling from the wider tires though.

John's wheel thread has some weights for the stock 19" 5 holes in QV sizing versus forged options. https://www.giuliaforums.com/thread...fully-custom-lightweight-inexpensive-forged-wheels.58644/#nested_reply_top_post

I never had my 5 holes without tires on them, but my 19x8 5 holes with tires were slightly heavier than my 19x10 OZ's with tires. I had the weights written down somewhere but it's been years now. The OZ's aren't forged either, they're just good castings.

Basically I'm saying there's no indication the stock 19 5 holes are anything more than standard gravity cast wheels. Crossovers with 19s will be slightly heavier than them simply from needing to be stronger with a higher axle load rating from worse weight distribution and extra luggage capacity, but they're just standard cast.


I don't disagree with this. There's no super drastic change from shaving 5 pounds a wheel. I do really enjoy the handling from the wider tires though.

I have the 19x8in 5 holes on all four corners on my Q4.

The chart in the post you listed have the slightly wider QV 19x8.5in 5 hole wheels at 24.5lbs a wheel, so I assume that my 19x8in 5 hole wheels are about 24lbs a wheel. Therefore, the wheels are not light weight wheels, but are strong I assume. Light weight performance wheels are not the always the best for daily driven cars due to being easier to bend or crack when impacted on public roads if not forged. There is always trade offs. Forged wheels are very expensive strong light weight options, but may be over kill for a daily driver that will not see track use.

Personally, the stock dark silver 19X8in 5 holes on my car are perfect for my car overall performance, styling , and type of use. However, for other owners that are more performance driving focused then it may be worth using lighter weight wheels to gain a performance edge.

 

Hey all, would be great to get some input from someone who actually made this transition but here's my dilema:

My 2.0 Giulia Super comes with 17 inch forged wheels - my mechanic is very keen on their dynamic proprieties - they are allegedly extremely light compared to a non-forged wheel - and increase the nimble character of the vechicle.

I'm obivously not a fan of the looks compared to say..the 5 hole ones - but I keep on getting reminded that the character of the car will change significantly and if I care more about driving dynamics rather than looks I should stick to the smaller forged ones.

Has anyone made this switch and is kind enough to share what changed from their perspective? He also mentioned my 0-62 times will be higher..but at the same time the 17 inch don't seem to be able to put the power down correctly to begin with!

Would love to hear your stories!

I’m on the aluminum 18’s with upsized tires 235/45/18 looks great and feels even better

 

nevermind - found your website - very good pricing indeed - quite inclined to pull the trigger (q1 of 24')

Absolutely, reach out anytime.

would be so awesome if you had weights displayed there too - can you help out with this?

It's tricky to list a weight because so much can influence it (offset, width, etc.). That said, there are some weights listed in the first post of the group buy thread. To save you the click, though, the Alfa styles come in right around 9kg for the 19x8.5 front wheel (Tekla a little less, Gabriella a little more but all within a couple hundred grams of 9kg).

 

Absolutely, reach out anytime.


It's tricky to list a weight because so much can influence it (offset, width, etc.). That said, there are some weights listed in the first post of the group buy thread. To save you the click, though, the Alfa styles come in right around 9kg for the 19x8.5 front wheel (Tekla a little less, Gabriella a little more but all within a couple hundred grams of 9kg).

yup reviewed those. i understand those are estimates...i'm quite inclined to go for 18' for both lightness ( i assume they would be lighter than the 19' ) and also ride comfort - options would be Tekla or Stefania ( again i assume those 2 would be the lightest given your initial weight table comparing them to OEMs)

any estimate for shipping to the EU? I care for cost not speed so snail mail could also work if you can track them Thanks!

 

yup reviewed those. i understand those are estimates...i'm quite inclined to go for 18' for both lightness ( i assume they would be lighter than the 19' ) and also ride comfort - options would be Tekla or Stefania ( again i assume those 2 would be the lightest given your initial weight table comparing them to OEMs)

any estimate for shipping to the EU? I care for cost not speed so snail mail could also work if you can track them Thanks!

Those are the modeled weights so aside from some deviation due to tolerances they’re pretty accurate. A few people in the thread have verified with actual wheels.

18” would definitely be lighter than 19”. I’d go with the one you like candidly, I do think you can notice a difference of 5lb+ on a wheel but 0.5lb one way or the other (what the difference is between them) isn’t ever going to be noticeable.

Shipping to Europe can fluctuate 5-10% but I did one to France this week and the rate was 18” $380 and 19” $405 (it’s by volume). That’s DDP so there is no duty or fees due from you (it’s part of the shipping), you simply receive the wheels.

For completeness, DDP only works for EU countries and different countries can have different rates depending on the routes used, etc. I think what’s above is a helpful ballpark though.

 

Ah thanks for pointing that out - i was actually factoring in an extra 19% VAT but if the price is DDP that's super cool!

 

In both my previous Guilia, and my current 2023, I insisted that they had to have the stock 17" rims. I was offered all sorts of deals on models with the 18s and 19s, but I passed. Yes, this is all a matter of personal taste, but I think the 17s are far more proportioned to the overall look of the car. Big wheels also make the brakes look too small...and that cheapens a car's look, in my opinion. The 17s and the standard brakes are an excellent match. I also prefer the bright looks of the 17s, and the bright trim on the lines around the windows, on the tailpipes, and on the grill.

 

Hey all, would be great to get some input from someone who actually made this transition but here's my dilema:

My 2.0 Giulia Super comes with 17 inch forged wheels - my mechanic is very keen on their dynamic proprieties - they are allegedly extremely light compared to a non-forged wheel - and increase the nimble character of the vechicle.

I'm obivously not a fan of the looks compared to say..the 5 hole ones - but I keep on getting reminded that the character of the car will change significantly and if I care more about driving dynamics rather than looks I should stick to the smaller forged ones.

Has anyone made this switch and is kind enough to share what changed from their perspective? He also mentioned my 0-62 times will be higher..but at the same time the 17 inch don't seem to be able to put the power down correctly to begin with!

Would love to hear your stories!

I'm very happy with my OEM ones fyi.