[Driven]

No super car is reliable.

Porsches are fairly reliable.
NSX (both gens), incredibly reliable.
LFA, never heard of any failures... but it is pretty rare, so...
Nissan GTR, pretty reliable once they fixed the $2 c-clip that failed to cause the gearboxes to fail.

So... maybe it's: "No Italian or British super car are reliable"

Rs5 has AWD and I think 0-60 is no faster than sqv

Also different segments. No one is cross-shopping a sports sedan with a suv.

Merc AMG gt63/s is a bigger vehicle and only seats 4. M5 is also bigger and different class as well

I think the E63S is closer to the QV, but still a different class and a different price range -- even the previous gen of E63S is quicker than the QV.
I think the C-class is the direct competitor vs the other Mercedes offerings.


The common theme seems to be either:
"Alfa needs to change to stay competitive..."
Or
"I don't care, the car drives amazing."

 

[Phan Tom]

The common theme seems to be either:
"Alfa needs to change to stay competitive..."
Or
"I don't care, the car drives amazing."

Haha..yup

 

[TH70]

I saw that same video just recently. And to all the rest of what you said, you have good points, and it definitely did add some trepidation to my decision to by a 2020 Giulia QV a few weeks ago. But I still absolutely love it.

And while you specifically mention a 2022 M3 vs QV, Car and Driver and Motortrend published articles in 2021 comparing those two cars. In both the QV came out ahead (though, annoyingly, C&D can never get past their 40,000 mile test they did with the QV in 2019). So even without major refreshes, at least as of last year, it is still managing to keep up.

2021 BMW M3 Comp vs. Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio Comparison Test: Four-Door Fire

This … this was a tough choice.

www.motortrend.com

Comparison Test: 2021 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio vs. BMW M3 Competition

Sports-sedan performance and passion with BMW's new M3 and Alfa Romeo's sultry Giulia Quadrifoglio.

www.caranddriver.com

Though, in the end I think you're right, they're doing themselves no favors by not trying to sell themselves harder. Imagine where it could be with some good refreshes. (Though, there's always the risk of a refresh going poorly... just look at the poor G80/G82 M3/M4 grill...).

It's funny, Road & Track used to be better than Car and Driver, decades ago.

 

[TH70]

I am very enamored of my Giulia but to be honest I happen to think that had AR invested in curing the many software and tech issues that these cars have suffered from since its inception it would have done a lot toward greater sales and subsequent additional purchases. e.g. as just one item, what other car/brand in this segment is unable to keep it's battery sufficiently charged in normal use such that the vehicle suffers all manner of warning light activation and computer responses? Not to mention things like water intrusion into the passenger compartment and similar design/build quality issues (seriously. Seems the sales issues suffered by AR are self inflicted. When it's time to replace my car it's most definitely NOT going to be another Alfa. Sad state of affairs indeed.

I have a 2019 Gulia QV, built August 2018, and the only problems I've had were the battery dying year after I got it, which was a known issue with the factory batteries, and more recently, a few months ago, I had the dashboard replaced under warranty because the corners were curling up under the corners of the windshield in front of the speakers. I haven't had a single electrical or mechanical problem, with the car, though I might say that though I only have about 10,000 miles on it.

 

[TH70]

Older guys wanna DRIVE! The younger generation want to be on their phones and let the car drive itself..or take public transit to be on their phones.

That's why we all rushed out to get our drivers license = Freedom!
This generation found their freedom through social media.

Social media. Some freedom--it's the Matrix.
Which reminds me, does anyone remember the Suzuki motorcycle commercial from around 1966 wherein a guy on a Suzuki motorcycle ends up with a hot chick on the back of the seat, and the punchline is: "Solo Suzuki and you won't end up alone."

 

[TH70]

I'm in my 20s and see this too. My generation get excited about self-driving and tech. Even my friends who are more traditional car guys are more into AMG type of vehicle. They'd happily drive a 4000+ lb boat for acceleration + noise, handling be damned.

I think I'm the only dude I know who cares about steering feel/feedback, handling, and how much a car weighs. That's why I'm an Alfisti and will eventually be a Porsche 911 owner. The BMW M2 may snag me temporarily along the way.

I have a longtime friend, who now looks for more practical cars like SUVs. He didn't like the small info screens on Alfa Romeos, and when I mentioned my Giulia QV had 505 hp, he said what do I need with that, he went through a muscle car stage when he was younger. He completely misses the point that it's the handling, steering, and road feel, and the power just enhances that, and would not be appealing without the handling characteristics. I guess the Tone was set with me with my first real car, in 1968, a 1968 Lotus Elan S4. My car prior to the QV was like a bigger, cruder version of the the same type of car, a 2017 Cadillac CTS-V, but it had too many quality control issues.

 

[TH70]

I think it's still as fast as the Germans.

I don't recall if we saw a ring time for the g80 (or maybe we did at 7:30, I can't remember) but that's still really close.
G80 non comp is same 0-60; and zcp has AWD, so it'll be quicker off the line and comparable to the 3.6 from sqv, but I imagine sqv weighs more to account for the extra .2 0-60

Rs3 and c63/s are old like qv and no faster if not slower. Rs5 has AWD and I think 0-60 is no faster than sqv

New ct4 isn't faster iirc

Merc AMG gt63/s is a bigger vehicle and only seats 4. M5 is also bigger and different class as well

What about the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing? The successor to the Cadillac CTS-V. It's in the same size class as the AMG 63. Sure, it is a bit cruder (and heavier and less nimble than the Giulia QV), but if it's anything like the CTS-V, it handles very well for his class, (and has constantly adjusting magnetic ride like the QV) with similar power to the European cars. And it's rear wheel drive only, and one of very few cars that is available in manual transmission (six speed) also. Initially the specs said 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds, which would be the same as the CTS-V even though it has 28 more horsepower, and more torque, from the same V-8 supercharged engine. However, road tests I saw put 0 to 60 at something like 6.3-6.4 seconds.

 

[Avnyc11]

What about the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing? The successor to the Cadillac CTS-V. It's in the same size class as the AMG 63. Sure, it is a bit cruder (and heavier and less nimble than the Giulia QV), but if it's anything like the CTS-V, it handles very well for his class, (and has constantly adjusting magnetic ride like the QV) with similar power to the European cars. And it's rear wheel drive only, and one of very few cars that is available in manual transmission (six speed) also. Initially the specs said 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds, which would be the same as the CTS-V even though it has 28 more horsepower, and more torque, from the same V-8 supercharged engine. However, road tests I saw put 0 to 60 at something like 6.3-6.4 seconds.

I equate ct5 with 5 series and e class which would be different than giulia; faster in a straight line but I'm not sure about on a track

 

[Jessica_alfa]

Relevance would depend on the target audience. Horse and buggies are still relevant today, but mostly to the Amish. The Giulia is still relevant but to a smaller and smaller subset of the population, us. Most people don’t care about driving dynamics and just need an appliance that looks like all the other CUVs( yuck) out there. I can appreciate the practicality of these blandmobiles. It’s like we have a nice Chemex/ Technica and most people just need/want a Keurig. No amount of updates/facelifts will change that IMO.

 

[TH70]

I equate ct5 with 5 series and e class which would be different than giulia; faster in a straight line but I'm not sure about on a track

Yes, it is a class larger, like the Mercedes E class. Because of the huge torque, supercharger, and different transmission, not to mention the optional manual, it is definitely faster off the line, and with a 28 hp increase over the CTS-V, faster 0 to 60 etc. It may also be equally good on the track, but having owned the CTS-V, and now the Giulia QV, while the driving dynamics may be similar, the feedback for the driver is different--the QV feels, and is, lighter, the steering is lighter and quicker, and it feels more nimble. Although I don't know that it has any greater lateral grip. The CTS-V had that same uncanny feeling of rotating around a curve rather than turning as the QV does.

 

[kevinpg]

Just did another run on Mulholland with my Giulia. Best handling sedan ever. Such a high level of engineering for the $40ks? Very relevant indeed

This is a go-kart with 4 doors. It turns in so fast, rotates through the corner, tail comes out a bit, plants itself, then shoots out of the turn. Love this car.

 

[Chipshot]

Just did a round-trip from Michigan to Western New York. My Giulia made easy work of it. I arrived fresh and made great time.

 

[raymondjm4]

I just feel others are sheep while we are Shepard's. Not one post I have read from on this site has someone wanting a Giulia because others had one. We/I got it because I wanted a Giulia.
To me that says it all!!
I will buy another, years from now if they bring back the color options for the interior. I want to retire with a QV version of my same exact car (I got Bruce Banner now, want the Hulk when I grow up

 

[Emozine]

Having taken my Giulia on the track for the first time, and chasing down M4s, yeah. It's more than relevant to me.

 

[beta2alfa]

Just did a round-trip from Michigan to Western New York. My Giulia made easy work of it. I arrived fresh and made great time. View attachment 125692

Yup the Giulia has saved hours if not days of drivetime for me. Fastest point A to B car ever for me. It's almost like people enjoy seeing an Alfa driving fast.