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Drained the trans oil and replaced the pan on a 2018 Giulia today. Ended up using the Mopar steel pan so I can swap the filters instead of buying the entire pan. Having a plastic pan kinda weirds me out anyway. Not having a drain plug reminds me of the old days of spilling fluid everywhere and having it run down my arms, so that's good. This was a very straight forward procedure, the only hiccup Ive had is figuring out if I should check the fluid in N or P after shifting through the gears. Or does it matter? Ive always checked my Jeeps in N since thats what they call for. I drained around 5 quarts out and Ive added just over 5.5 quarts with the trans at 47C in N. The car is 1.5" lower in the rear so I'm going to relevel it and check it tomorrow.

I have no idea why new bolts are recommended, there is no difference. I've got them torqued to 90in-lbs right now but I just found something that recommends 106in-lbs for the steel pan, so I guess I'll retorque those.

Also changed the rear LSD fluid, that stuff was black.... Car has 70K on it and I assume its never been done (bought used). I think I'll change it again during the next engine oil change. Mopar fluid is $50 a quart and it took just a smidge over 1 quart. If I had thought, I would have put a bit less than a quart in it, ran it for just a bit, then drained and refilled... O well.

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Drained the trans oil and replaced the pan on a 2018 Giulia today. Ended up using the Mopar steel pan so I can swap the filters instead of buying the entire pan. Having a plastic pan kinda weirds me out anyway. Not having a drain plug reminds me of the old days of spilling fluid everywhere and having it run down my arms, so that's good. This was a very straight forward procedure, the only hiccup Ive had it figuring out if I should check the fluid in N or P after shifting through the gears. Or does it matter? Ive always checked my Jeeps in N since thats what they call for. I drained around 5 quarts out and Ive added just over 5.5 quarts with the trans at 47C in N. The car is 1.5" lower in the rear so I'm going to relevel it and check it tomorrow.

I have no idea why new bolts are recommended, there is no difference. Ive got them torque to 90in-lbs right now but I just found something that recommends 106in-lbs for the steel pan, so I guess I'll retorque those.

Also changed the rear LSD fluid, that stuff was black.... Car has 70K on it and I assume its never been done (bought used). I think I'll change it again during the next engine oil change. Mopar fluid is $50 a quart and it took just a smidge over 1 quart. If I had thought, I would have put a bit less than a quart in it, ran it for just a bit, then drained and refilled... O well.

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What color is the Mopar transmission fluid?
 
@Jeepster04 , Where did you purchase the parts? Does the pan come with the filter and gasket? If not, what are the part numbers? Costs? Thanks!!
 
@Jeepster04 , Where did you purchase the parts? Does the pan come with the filter and gasket? If not, what are the part numbers? Costs? Thanks!!
I bought everything from Mopar Parts Overstock. The pan came with everything except the bolts, but Im still not sure why you need new ones unless I bought the incorrect bolts (06510056AA). They are identical to the bolts I removed.

It was $110 when I bought it but its been almost a year since I bought the parts.
 
Leveled the car and rechecked with the trans in P. No idea if being in P rather than N makes a difference, but it took the remaining 6th quart before it started to dribble out. So I drained out 5 quarts and put 6 back. I've not read where it makes a difference, but maybe the steel pan holds a bit more? The car has zero leaks and it appears to be the factory fill, maybe it was just a bit low? The temp was a bit lower when I added more fluid this morning, I think it was 37C when I finished up; 28C before I even started the car. It was 47C when I finished up last night.

To add, the pan does cover the manual N lever screw hole, so you would need to clearance the edge of the pan if you want to be able to use that feature.

No clue if my allen key is shorter than most, but I was able to pull the transmission down by hand (you read that correctly) and get the 8mm allen key in the fill/check plug. The transmission moves around a bit if you pull/push on it. It did scratch the paint on the frame a bit, which I dont like, but o'well.

Ohh! The old trans pan bolts are the same thread as the bolts that hold the cover under the engine. The heads are a bit smaller so you might want to use a bigger SS washer, but I used them in places where I didnt think they would pull through. I think it was only missing 3. I'd love to know why shops evidently just randomly toss those....


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Its almost clear, slight amber.
Thank you.

I asked because I was seeing owners(BMW,Dodge,Land Rover,etc) use Valvoline MAX Life transmission fluid in the ZF 8-speeds transmission fluid change, but the fluid is red.

My car still has extended power-train warranty coverage until 94k miles or so. Therefore, I was only going to use the ZF brand automatic fluid due it being that clear amber color. Now I may just use the Dodge fluid if it is cheaper.

I did not want to use a different color transmission fluid to give the warranty company any reason to deny a possible future claim if the Alfa Romeo service center points that out; especially since I will DIY the transmission fluid change myself.
 
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Thank you.

I asked because I was seeing owners(BMW,Dodge,Land Rover,etc) use Valvoline MAX Life transmission fluid in the ZF 8-speeds transmission fluid change, but the fluid is red.

My car still has extended power-train warranty coverage until 94k miles or so. Therefore, I was only going to use the ZF brand automatic fluid due it being that clear amber color. Now I may just use the Dodge fluid if it is cheaper.

I did not want to use a different color transmission fluid to give the warranty company any reason to deny a possible future claim if the Alfa Romeo service center points that out; especially since I will DIY the transmission fluid change myself.
I feel like transmission fluid is not the place to save money. Doing the service yourself is saving enough. There is no way I would use any sort of universal transmission fluid in my transmissions.
 
I feel like transmission fluid is not the place to save money. Doing the service yourself is saving enough. There is no way I would use any sort of universal transmission fluid in my transmissions.
Valvoline Max transmission fluid is a great fluid that I have used in my Lexus and Toyota models for years without any issues. The fluid quality is not the issue in regards to that brand of transmission fluid hence why many owners uses it regardless of make and model.

My issue is that it red and would be easy to spot for any warranty work that may be performed by my local Alfa Romeo on the transmission . If the stock fluid was red I would use Max Life in my Giulia as well.

However, I get your point. You cannot go wrong using the OEM or specific transmission fluid for a transmission.
 
Also changed the rear LSD fluid, that stuff was black.... Car has 70K on it and I assume its never been done (bought used). I think I'll change it again during the next engine oil change. Mopar fluid is $50 a quart and it took just a smidge over 1 quart. If I had thought, I would have put a bit less than a
Also changed the rear LSD fluid, that stuff was black.... Car has 70K on it and I assume its never been done (bought used). I think I'll change it again during the next engine oil change. Mopar fluid is $50 a quart and it took just a smidge over 1 quart. If I had thought, I would have put a bit less than a quart in it, ran it for just a bit, then drained and refilled... O well.
I changed the LSD fluid from my Giulia at 27k miles and was as dark as you describe due to clutch contamination. However, I sent a sample of the oil to Blackstone and the analysis results came back as good, so it seems that color is not a very good indication of the state of the fluid. I think you don’t need to change it again during next oil change.
 
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I changed the LSD fluid from my Giulia at 27k miles and was as dark as you describe due to clutch contamination. However, I sent a sample of the oil to Blackstone and the analysis results came back as good, so it seems that color is not a very good indication of the state of the fluid. I think you don’t need to change it again during next oil change.
That's awesome information, thanks
 
Thanks! The Jeep pan doesn't seem to sit any lower. It has an obvious kick-out under the filter, but the plastic pans do too. The plastic ones look flat underneath, but if you ignore the reinforcing ribs and just look at the shape of the face of it they appear to be nearly identical. I would say I put exactly 6 liters of fluid into the transmission, the tiny bit I grabbed from the 7th bottle probably went to cover some spillage when filling.


I noticed the filter on mine was very dirty as well. I suspect the additional restriction from that was the main contributor to the slipping cold start 1-2 shift. It's a lot harder to get cold oil to flow through a dirty filter.

I'm hoping the large solid magnets on the Jeep transmission pan will do a better job of catching material than the thin rectangular ones on the plastic pan did. I noticed very little material on the magnets in my OEM pan, but round pucks like the Jeep pan has usually start looking like Chia Pets from the amount of debris they'll pick up. Past vehicles of mine had just one puck magnet and they really worked well.
Great write up, thank you!
 
What did I do wrong if I was able to drain only 4,2 l of old fluid from the transmission?
It was not underfilled before because when I opened the drain plug a few amount of old fluid started to flow out.
Should the engine start and run during the drain and I can get out more fluid?
 
What did I do wrong if I was able to drain only 4,2 l of old fluid from the transmission?
It was not underfilled before because when I opened the drain plug a few amount of old fluid started to flow out.
Should the engine start and run during the drain and I can get out more fluid?
That's all that will come out. The rest is in the torque converter. Follow the instructions.
 
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What did I do wrong if I was able to drain only 4,2 l of old fluid from the transmission?
It was not underfilled before because when I opened the drain plug a few amount of old fluid started to flow out.
Should the engine start and run during the drain and I can get out more fluid?
Did you mean, when I opened the fill plug?
Was the fluid at full operating temperature (hot) when you drained it?
 
I finally got around to starting the oil drain and fill. Right off the bat ran into trouble. The plastic drain plug turned easily about 5 degrees then stopped. 10mm hex turned in the plug hex it was so tight. After looking at the new pan and drain plug, it appears the plug is stopped up against the safety catch. I have tried a center punch and hammer to make it turn out to no avail. Any advice? @MWisBest? @AlfaAndy? Anybody? Or do I have to go find a very large pan and take the trans pan out full of oil? What a mess that would be.
 
Hah! You have a masochistic idea of fun! But thanks. It sure looks like that is what I will have to do.
Just remove all bolts and slowly lower one end, its no big deal. I rarely get to drop trans pans that do have a drain.
Its not fun if trans fluid isnt running down your arms into your arm pits.
 
@alfan, that sucks. You could follow post #98, or drill a hole...
 
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