Why is there still a conversation going on ?
No comparison, period.......
I’m picking up my QV tomorrow, and that is all that matters to me now......:grin2:

 

You will not be sleeping tonight !!!!! Good Luck and Enjoy.....!!!!

 

Agreed with everything above. Its a KIA. Kind of like allll the features that are built into a Genesis. At the end of the day, it is STILL a Hyundai and I am yet to be impressed by the design and styling of just about anything Korean. Always look like a mishmash of styles.

Let me know when KIAs turn heads like an Alfa.

 

how is this a thread?

comparing an alfa romeo with a kia?

 

kinda what i thought too?

 

There was a time when a Lexus was just a Toyota. Pretty sure the rc and lc are good cars in their own rights.

Moreover, Toyota can build a good car on their own. I think Kia is just waking up.

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Just saw Stinger in person. Not impressed. Looks like a Camry sport on steroids.

 

why is this a thread, to compare a sodding KIA stinger to a Giulia is ridiculous.

The Stinger (and ive driven the top of the line one on extended test drive) is ok. no more no less. its a mess visually outside, looking like a complete rip off of an audi and then a load of other bits stuck on, the inside is decnet enough, not special or particularly good, just ok, but the performance and drive is not the 2nd coming of JC as many are making out. again its ok, but not a patch on giulia, or my old mans 330d, which is pretty poor considering its meant to be amazing. plus it will always be a kia...not that thats bad, its just boring, like saying i own a zanussi fridge or something like that. they make some decent econoboxs but are all soulless machines. Badge snobs will forever think of you as not being able to afford the German equivalent (despite the top of the ranges car ridiculous price). I think the motoring press are just pleased because its something different and left field from KIA and not a complete train wreck as it could easily have been, and are giving it a lot of leeway, whin in relaisty its nothing better than a C+/b - effort

 

why is this a thread, to compare a sodding KIA stinger to a Giulia is ridiculous

Because we are enthusiasts. Kia will become a global leader one day, don't fool yourself. Remember Saab started making jets and then cars and is now defunct. Lamborghini made tractors until Ferrari pissed him off. I'd venture Nissan was much more interesting as Datsun. Toyota made very interesting cars before they decided to become boring - at least Lexus is trying again. BMW made airplane engines, thats what the symbol represents you know, before cars and still does - as does Rolls. Lincoln in the 40s made the most ex[ppensive car in the world. Duesenberg was more beautiful than any of the contemporary cars and it still failed. You never know the fate of a company.

Mercedes makes taxi cabs, military vehicles, and semis. Why do they deserve more respect than Kia or Hyundai?

Sure Alfa has always been respected for their beauty but they also left the US with their tails between their legs due to poor engineering. A car must still be more reliable than beautiful for most Americans.

Kia started making bicycles in 1944 and their first car was 1986. They have come a long, long way in a very short time (~30 years). Moreover, they have a lot of money and want to compete at a high level; as does Hyundai. They will continue to buy talent and try different/fresh things and that's why we talk about them.

 

Your B- is generous.

 

"Sure Alfa has always been respected for their beauty but they also left the US with their tails between their legs due to poor engineering."

Regarding "poor engineering," absolutely not true. That's frankly a lazy and inaccurate generalization. What was poorly-engineered about the 164? The mixer door gearing? That was corrected eventually and that's a small sin compared to the issues that came with other cars. What was wrong with the S4 Spider, or before that, the S3 Spiders and the transaxle cars? I've owned several of each type and I'm unaware of any poor engineering.

p.s., there were several reasons why Alfa was pulled out of the U.S. by Fiat in the mid-'90s, but because Alfa had poorly-engineered cars was not one of them.

 

If the point is moot I'll continue my thought then...

It's not a lazy description. It was the result of the cars not selling due to a perception. I'm not saying the engineers were bad at math but that the cars didn't live up to the cost/benefit and reliability of an American consumer - a mixture I'm calling engineering. Moreover, they couldn't sustain the engineering level to meet the changing safety and emissions standards - again engineering. From a long term update for the 164 (you can feel the sense of impending doom from the text), "The Alfa has now covered a total of 2000 miles and we have yet to discover any faults. But it is still very young, and as the past owner of a number of Alfa Romeos over the years, I am not taking things for granted."

From an article in 1995, "After years of losses, Italian sports car maker Alfa Romeo said last week it will stop selling cars in the United States and Canada at the end of this year. The maker of flashy and expensive sports cars said it had suffered significant losses and could not justify the large investment needed to meet tough new U.S. safety and emissions standards."

And I've never read any article from Kia saying they think cars are a commodity. In fact, they describe themselves the exact opposite. They are hungry to be away from the commodity pack, i.e. Toyota and Nissan and Honda, that they find themselves in right now. In fact their brand slogan is "The Power to Surprise". Starting from 2005, the company has been engaged in enhancing the brand power and improvement of the company reputation through the brand slogan of “The Power to Surprise,” with continued efforts for innovation in product development, communication, sales, services, and other customer-related activities.

My point with the other marques was that just because you were once great doesn't mean you will be forever or vice versa. And that just because you can make a bona fide luxury car, Merc, doesn't mean you cannot also dabble in the commodity market nor should the 2 markets distract from each other.

 

there hardly going to admit to being a commodity shifter are they now?! all car makers attempt to build an aspirational brand image, do any admit to being pile them high sell them cheap?

 

I think Kia is garbage (personally) but, hey, Ducati made radios...

 

Kia certainly can't be faulted for trying, and their products, objectively and subjectively, have come a long way. However, I have rarely heard praise for their dealers, and mixing aspirational and lower-priced vehicles only adds to the challenge. Alfa dealers will have to meet or exceed high expectations as failure to do so can doom even superior offerings. The next-generation Stinger will undoubtedly show improvement, so Alfa et al need to keep upping their game. Ain't competition wonderful?

 

Kia certainly can't be faulted for trying, and their products, objectively and subjectively, have come a long way. However, I have rarely heard praise for their dealers, and mixing aspirational and lower-priced vehicles only adds to the challenge. Alfa dealers will have to meet or exceed high expectations as failure to do so can doom even superior offerings. The next-generation Stinger will undoubtedly show improvement, so Alfa et al need to keep upping their game. Ain't competition wonderful?

Nailed it right there. The buying experience at our local KIA dealers, especially for a car stickering around and north of $50k, is extremely poor.

 

comparison on specs :
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel6349-6729.htm

 

They are comparing a QV to the Stinger in this link.
Because Race Car

 

I thought the exterior of the Stinger looked pretty good and the reviews have been mostly positive, although I would doubt it drives anything like the QV or regular Giulia. I will wait until I drive one to have a real opinion. I must admit when I saw that interior and steering wheel, I thought they were pretty atrocious .....

 

It does not. Took one for a test drive (board, waiting for my Giulia) nice sound good power in the GT1 V6 but I felt completely disconnected from the car and the steering? Well with the short drive I had I really had a hard time knowing where my front wheels were. Just not really any feed back. So, I would give it an average rating. With the price of the GT1 or GT2 being that of a fully loaded Giulia Ti Sport I would go with the Giulia any day of the week. Which I did so maybe I am a bit biased.

 

Saw one at the Houston car show. I was not impressed with the stinger in person. Too many fake vents on the car. When I thought the vents were real I thought there were too many and now that I know they are all fake, well...

I will say the cabin is nice. The center stack reminded me of the giulia a bit.

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While it may turn out to be a great econo sports sedan much like the Genesis is an excellent luxury car, it is still a Kia. Kia has no storied history like Alfa which means a lot to savvy car guys like us. Kia could even devise a logo with a Kimodo Dragon to copy the Biscione and I wouldn't buy one. Okay, after going to the Kia site and pricing out the Gt2 for $50,000 plus I would never consider it when you could have and Alfa. If the Giulia didn't exist I would get an M2 over the Kia. The Stinger is too busy outside with all the fake scoops, much like the new Civic.

 

Wondering when some magazine will do a comparo.

 

HP aside, I can't see this coming close to the Giulia in handling and feel.

 

Did you guys see the commercial with Fittipaldi yet?

 

I hope they paid him well.

 

Add the 2018 Buick Regal GS (really an Opel) to the wannabee list?

 

Maybe wait for the Genesis G70?

http://autoweek.com/article/car-rev...um=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-top&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awdailydrive

While the front end of the Stinger looks OK to me, the more I look at the back, the more it looks like an unfortunate mash-up of Charger, Optima, Panamera, and Aurora (more?).

 

File this one away

Maybe wait for the Genesis G70?

http://autoweek.com/article/car-rev...um=enewsletter&utm_term=headline-top&utm_content=body&utm_campaign=awdailydrive

You are right about this one. I liked the Stinger when I saw it at the Autoshow, but thought the body was too long.
I really like the look of that G70. I'll be keeping my eye out for that one to see how it is received.

 

Kia Stinger

BASE PRICE: $32,795

AS TESTED PRICE: $52,300

POWERTRAIN: 3.3-liter twin-turbo V6, 8-speed automatic, awd,

OUTPUT: 365 hp at 6000 rpm; 376 lb ft from 1300 to 4500 rpm

CURB WEIGHT: 4023 pounds (mfg.)

0-60 MPH: 4.7 seconds (mfg.)

FUEL ECONOMY: 19/25/21
(EPA City/Hwy/Combined)


Compare with Ti Sport Q4 with Eurocompulsion V1 Tune. Same price, more torque, similar HP, 400lbs less weight, and an iconic brand. And better fuel economy. Not to mention design, handling, braking, and almost everything else.

 

Yep, and I don't have any of the above upgrades and still like driving my Giulia more than the test drive I took in the Stinger. Left me uncaring about the car and wanting my Giulia to arrive even sooner. But that's all in the past now, I have my Giulia and loving it. Now, just have to hold out a bit longer before getting the V2 intake and maybe the V1 tune at some point, but got to get the PPF/Ceramic Coating/Window Tinting paid off first so the wife doesn't string me up.

 

Giulia is 200 kilos lighter, that means the engine isnt working anywhere near as hard
a 185ish Kw KIA carrying the equivalent of 3 additional adults for its entire lifespan ... thats not going to be long at all ... and i heard they have cooling issues, basically they are running a lot hotter than is comfortable for that engine
its kind of like a qualifying boost that Formula 1 cars give their engines, only they never switch it off

 

Kia overheating shows perhaps the biggest difference between Giulia and Stinger. Stinger is a budget car stuffed with a big engine it wasn't designed for. Giulia was developed with 500hp in mind from the beginning and now we have more affordable variations with smaller engine outputs. The Giulia chassis is just in a different league than anything else in the category including the benchmark BMW.

 

Kia, is that the same car brand that makes the cutesy little Soul that all the hamsters drive?

Ah Soul from Japan,
Chuck

 

Kia, is that the same car brand that makes the cutesy little Soul that all the hamsters drive?

Before they discovered rap/hip-hop:

 

Nothing is worse than what Honda did to the Civic. The Type R looks like a Transformer waiting to turn into a pile of......

 

Nothing is worse than what Honda did to the civic. The Type R looks like a Transformer waiting to turn into a pile of......

Imagine what the coffee-can-exhaust ricer bunch is going to do with it. The factory car will look tasteful by comparison.

 

Hyundai has proven they can make a very good car with the Genesis line. Kia has yet to convince me that their cars are good. They are bargain cars which serve a purpose to a lot of people that can't afford European sports sedans. When the Stinger tops out at over $50k it's a poor marketing strategy.