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A4 is a guised up VW? Come on now I expect Audi bashing in an Alfa forum but there isn't a single VW branded car sharing the A4's underlying MLB platform. The last time a VW used an Audi platform was the Passat from 15 years ago when they used a stretched out older B5 platform when the Audi A4 was about to move on to the newer B6 platform. The Porsche Macan, however, shares the current A4's underlying MLB platform. I love the engine in the Ti but calling the 4-cylinder a "detuned Ferrari" is as far a stretch as calling the A4 a VW, since there isn't a single 4-cylinder, (or for that matter, a 6-cylinder) in the Ferrari road car lineup. It might be based on a prancing horse engine but significant engineering rework beyond "detuning" is required when you lose cylinders.
I believe that all Giulia have Ferrari inspired suspension. No parts shared with Ferrari, but I believe that the (semi) virtual steering axis concept is from Ferrari and ex Ferrari engineers did the design.

Of course the 4 cylinder engine is an Alfa enhanced FCA unit. It makes 140HP/liter as compared to the Ferrari derived QV with 174HP/liter. Isn't the Q4 adapted from a Maserati design? Of course the transmission, transfer, differentials and driveshafts all come from third parties.
 
^ +1 Uninformed are easily misled by MQB platform that is shared by VW and Audi in say versions of A3, TT, Golf and underpins also numerous Skodas and Seats.

MLB Evo has more in common with Bentley than than Giulia has with Ferrari lol

MLB Evo has only one flaw, engines are mounted too far forward (in front of front axle actually) and no amount of fiddling with rest of chassis will give Audi the handling characteristics of Giorgio based car...it comes however with lots more passenger and trunk space

Also push for Quattro ultra in EU leads to many misconceptions, in US all MLB evo cars (except Allroad) are permanent Quattro with crown central differential and 40:60 rear bias, often with rear torque vectoring differential, MQB cars have different AWD which is very similar to Giulia except that it actually is FWD until rear needs power
So while chassis may not be shared directly between Audi and VW, engines and drivetrains are.....
 
A4 is a guised up VW? Come on now I expect Audi bashing in an Alfa forum but there isn't a single VW branded car sharing the A4's underlying MLB platform. The last time a VW used an Audi platform was the Passat from 15 years ago when they used a stretched out older B5 platform when the Audi A4 was about to move on to the newer B6 platform. The Porsche Macan, however, shares the current A4's underlying MLB platform. I love the engine in the Ti but calling the 4-cylinder a "detuned Ferrari" is as far a stretch as calling the A4 a VW, since there isn't a single 4-cylinder, (or for that matter, a 6-cylinder) in the Ferrari road car lineup. It might be based on a prancing horse engine but significant engineering rework beyond "detuning" is required when you lose cylinders.
Once again VW and Audi share engines and drivetrains and you misquoted me a bit regarding the Q 4 Ti , Quad, Ferrari blood line.....
Stated that the Q 4 Giulia Ti is a Detuned Quad which is in turn a detuned Ferrari...You missed the middle part of the quote and let's understand that "detuned" refers to many parts of the design of the Q 4 Ti from the same suspension geometry to the same carbon fiber driveshaft, to the same great chassis....My point was that the Q 4 Ti is based on an upmarket car rather than the A 4 which has a design philosophy based on a lesser car.....(Engine positioned forward of the front axle, I'm sure suspension is similar if not equivalent, etc....)
 
My 07 A3 3.2q was basically an r32. 3.2 vr6 engine. The dsg transmission was audi but everything else was vw. My favorite audi.
The awd was Haldex, same as vw, Volvo and others. Not as good as audis own.

Loved this car.
Love the Giulia.
 
^ +1 Uninformed are easily misled by MQB platform that is shared by VW and Audi in say versions of A3, TT, Golf and underpins also numerous Skodas and Seats.

MLB Evo has more in common with Bentley than than Giulia has with Ferrari lol

MLB Evo has only one flaw, engines are mounted too far forward (in front of front axle actually) and no amount of fiddling with rest of chassis will give Audi the handling characteristics of Giorgio based car...it comes however with lots more passenger and trunk space

Also push for Quattro ultra in EU leads to many misconceptions, in US all MLB evo cars (except Allroad) are permanent Quattro with crown central differential and 40:60 rear bias, often with rear torque vectoring differential, MQB cars have different AWD which is very similar to Giulia except that it actually is FWD until rear needs power
So while chassis may not be shared directly between Audi and VW, engines and drivetrains are.....
Well.. they are not, all VWs have transversely mounted engines and are mostly FWD or Alfalike 4Motion and all Audis with exception of MQB platform cars have longitudinally mounted engines with permanent Quattro....engines obviously also have different power and tune (let me remind you that engines are heavily shared within FCA as should be within any sane manufacturer)...just like with QV, RS and S engines are not in any VW, neither is 5cyl from TTS nor is the W12..,so yeah, they are quite a bit more different than just gussied VW lol....
 
My 07 A3 3.2q was basically an r32. 3.2 vr6 engine. The dsg transmission was audi but everything else was vw. My favorite audi.
The awd was Haldex, same as vw, Volvo and others. Not as good as audis own.

Loved this car.
Love the Giulia.
A3 always was and still is Golf based as is TT and most of Skodas and Seats, rest of the Audi lineup is completely different platform
 
A4 is a guised up VW? Come on now I expect Audi bashing in an Alfa forum but there isn't a single VW branded car sharing the A4's underlying MLB platform. The last time a VW used an Audi platform was the Passat from 15 years ago when they used a stretched out older B5 platform when the Audi A4 was about to move on to the newer B6 platform. The Porsche Macan, however, shares the current A4's underlying MLB platform. I love the engine in the Ti but calling the 4-cylinder a "detuned Ferrari" is as far a stretch as calling the A4 a VW, since there isn't a single 4-cylinder, (or for that matter, a 6-cylinder) in the Ferrari road car lineup. It might be based on a prancing horse engine but significant engineering rework beyond "detuning" is required when you lose cylinders.
Once again VW and Audi share engines and drivetrains and you misquoted me a bit regarding the Q 4 Ti , Quad, Ferrari blood line.....
Stated that the Q 4 Giulia Ti is a Detuned Quad which is in turn a detuned Ferrari...You missed the middle part of the quote and let's understand that "detuned" refers to many parts of the design of the Q 4 Ti from the same suspension geometry to the same carbon fiber driveshaft, to the same great chassis....My point was that the Q 4 Ti is based on an upmarket car rather than the A 4 which has a design philosophy based on a lesser car.....(Engine positioned forward of the front axle, I'm sure suspension is similar if not equivalent, etc....)
A, S and RS all have engines mounted way too forward, this is inherent to the platform...that is why A almost handles better than S with heavier engine despite beefed up suspension and much stronger sway bars....most enthusiasts swap S sway bars with RS to help the heavy nose....but you can only do so much....A and S are mostly same car (B9 now has DSG in A and ZF in S, exactly opposite from B8.5) with slightly beefed up suspension on S, even A4 now has an option of torque vectoring rear diff but most of drivetrain is largely same...
 
So, regardless of which way the engine is facing, isn't the 1.4 T and 2.0 T in both cars the same basic motor ?
 
" Beginning in 2012, Volkswagen Group marketed the strategy under the code name MQB, which stands for Modularer Querbaukasten, translating from German to "Modular Transversal Toolkit" or "Modular Transverse Matrix". MQB is one strategy within VW's overall MB (Modularer Baukasten or modular matrix) program which also includes the similar MLB strategy for vehicles with longitudinal engine orientation."

Further points to consider...

"The Volkswagen Group MLB platform is the company's platform strategy, announced in 2012, for shared modular construction of its longitudinal, front-engined automobiles.

It was developed by Audi and first introduced in 2007 on the Audi A5 then, chronologically, on the Audi A4, Audi Q5, Audi A8, Audi A7, Audi A6, Porsche Macan and the second generation Audi Q7 (MLBevo). Until 2015, only Audi and Porsche were using the MLB platform. In February 2016 Volkswagen introduced the MLB based Phideon luxury sedan built and sold uniquely in the Chinese market.

Volkswagen Group markets the strategy under the code name MLB, which stands for Modularer Längsbaukasten, translating from German to "Modular Longitudinal Matrix".MLB is one strategy within VW's overall MB (Modulare Baukasten or modular matrix) program which also includes the similar MQB strategy for its vehicles with transverse engine orientation.

While a model may be said to use an MLB platform, it is not so much a platform per se, but rather a system for introducing rationality across disparate platforms that share engine orientation — regardless of model, vehicle size or brand. Thus, MLB uses a core "matrix" of components across a wide variety of platforms — for example, sharing a common engine-mounting core for all drivetrains (e.g., gasoline, diesel, natural gas, hybrid and purely electric). The only things that are non-variable are the pedal box, firewall, and front wheel placement, as well as the windscreen angle; other than this, the vehicle can be stretched and shaped to fit any body style, size range, or drivetrain required. As well as reducing weight, the concept allows diverse models, including those from the company's various brands, to be manufactured at the same plant, further saving cost. Ulrich Hackenberg, former chief of Volkswagen’s Research and Development, called MB a "strategic weapon."

Jalopnik said "the biggest feature is the uniform position of all motors and transmissions" and that "by fitting all motors into the same place (the company) hope(s) to cut down on engineering costs and weight/complexity when porting the car over to other models."The British magazine, Car, said "the idea heralds a return to basic principles of mass production in an industry where over the last 100 years, complexity has spiralled out of control. By creating a standardised, interchangeable set of parts from which to build a variety of cars, (the company) plans to cut the time taken to build a car by 30%."

So, much like the "Giorgio" platform or Volvo's "Scalable Product Architecture" platform, these platforms are basically analogous but can be modified (scalable) to be somewhat "unique" (although they are really basically the same)....

To my point that Audi + Porsche = Glorified VW

Alfa = Ferrari .....

The true legacy cannot be denied.....and so, while an A 4's engine is facing one way in its MLB chassis and the VW Passat has it facing another way in its MQB chassis, and that engine is pretty much the same engine......You're telling me to believe they are different.....Hmmm, I'll pass on that Kool Aid and stay "uninformed".....
 
Well, if the source comes from the Alfa, then the Charger will be the underling....
Get it ?
 
Wow...I'll try again...so basically we're talking about "modular platforms" ...chassis that can be modified to fit all sorts of vehicles....Like Giorgio , Like Volvo Scalable, etc...

My point is that despite the fact that VW calls it "X" and Audi calls it "Y" it is essentially the same (basically) save for the difference that the VW's engine (same basic engine as Audi) is facing sideways, and Audi's engine (same basic engine as VW) is facing forward....

So for all intents and purposes, are these not basically the same ?

Reminds me of the day that Caddy got in trouble for selling Oldsmobile engines....

PS - my "Get it" was more rhetorical than patronizing...."Get it" ?

Yours was a bit patronizing....but I'm cool with that...just don't pass the Kool Aid
 
Wow...I'll try again...so basically we're talking about "modular platforms" ...chassis that can be modified to fit all sorts of vehicles....Like Giorgio , Like Volvo Scalable, etc...

My point is that despite the fact that VW calls it "X" and Audi calls it "Y" it is essentially the same (basically) save for the difference that the VW's engine (same basic engine as Audi) is facing sideways, and Audi's engine (same basic engine as VW) is facing forward....

So for all intents and purposes, are these not basically the same ?

Reminds me of the day that Caddy got in trouble for selling Oldsmobile engines....

PS - my "Get it" was more rhetorical than patronizing...."Get it" ?

Yours was a bit patronizing....but I'm cool with that...just don't pass the Kool Aid
Engine orientation is a pretty big deal. But if an audi platform getting trickled down to VW makes an Audi a hopped up VW, same goes for our platform when it happens.

Fair on the "get it", my apologies.
 
Are you all aware the Giulietta was the progenitor of the Dodge Dart, Jeep Cherokee, and Chrysler 200? And it has outlived two of them.
 
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"Engine orientation is a pretty big deal." True that, but isn't "engine" even a bigger deal ?

I mean if they're sharing the same "heart", how can they be so different ???
 
"Engine orientation is a pretty big deal." True that, but isn't "engine" even a bigger deal ?

I mean if they're sharing the same "heart", how can they be so different ???
I'm not too sure on what engine components they are sharing across the brands, I have to assume it's not the entire engine. Isnt the giulia's 2.0 used elsewhere in FCA already?
 

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