[BGorilla]

Replacing the fuel pump huh? Since I had a similar CEL, makes me wonder if mine will need to be replaced too. If I throw another CEL, I'll have to be sure to take it in to the dealership next time.

 

[Papa Gallo]

What about US based surveys/results? This is good for UK but I’d like to see a similar study done for the US market. Maybe the car is the car no matter where it’s sold... Not discounting the results at all, because they’re great but it would be nice to see results I can directly relate to. If this was for US or global...never mind ;-)

why would they be any different for American cars ? other than they drive on the wrong side of the road


(and upside down)

 

[Alfa Philly]

What about US based surveys/results? This is good for UK but I’d like to see a similar study done for the US market. Maybe the car is the car no matter where it’s sold... Not discounting the results at all, because they’re great but it would be nice to see results I can directly relate to. If this was for US or global...never mind ;-)

why would they be any different for American cars ? other than they drive on the wrong side of the road


(and upside down)

RDalfa brings up a good point. Different markets. Different consumers. Different service dealers. I’m sure the Alfa service centers are a big part of who’s happy and who isn’t. A lot of fuel pump issues and CEL codes in America that don’t get diagnosed properly and people’s cars sit for days and sometimes weeks often leading to lemon law claims.

 

[MINIME]

Replacing the fuel pump huh? Since I had a similar CEL, makes me wonder if mine will need to be replaced too. If I throw another CEL, I'll have to be sure to take it in to the dealership next time.

Good chance. It seems like yours goes away and doesn’t come back or present a problem unless you are driving a “certain” way. In any case they probably can find it under a diagnostic and explaining when it throws the code. I got the “this is a common issue and they are replacing fuel pumps” on the 2017 QV and maybe early 2018’s. The later ones have the improved pump so they shouldn’t have the issue. So I didn’t have a code to give them and it got approved real quick. Like I said they typically have them in stock. If AR is stocking a part it is ready to replace:grin2:

 

[MINIME]

RDalfa brings up a good point. Different markets. Different consumers. Different service dealers. I’m sure the Alfa service centers are a big part of who’s happy and who isn’t. A lot of fuel pump issues and CEL codes in America that don’t get diagnosed properly and people’s cars sit for days and sometimes weeks often leading to lemon law claims.

There is one other element and that is expectations. I could be hot under the collar because I have to wait until next week for a fuel pump that is usually stocked but they ran out. AR has replaced the Fuel Pumps and probably every 2017 that goes in for an annual will get a replacement whether they get a code or not. However, people get ticked off that they have to wait. Why? My QV is perfectly fine to drive and wait for my part to arrive. I hate loaners and don’t want one. I think it is fine to wait for a part. I have to wait for parts on my other cars that have been around however it seems that some folks have a zero tolerance for any wait times, repairs or they are looking for a reason to lemon. I should have left my QV there for 5 days. Then I only have 25 more days to go. There seems to be lots of folks that want to get on the “lemon train” to a new car for a repair. However, most of the first year claims appear to be valid but I think AR Service Centers and AR Engineers are getting better and better at diagnosing and working within the AR framework to resolve issues.

I will add that Arizona is not Alfa/Maserati franchises. We have 2 dealerships in Phx. Both are Alfa/Fiat. Considering Fiat is winding down they are becoming more Alfa Romeo dealerships.

 

[alfa55]

Minime you have to realize some people just like to complain. If it is a total 2017 fuel pump fix, how could they have that many on hand? I would rather have my car with me than sitting in a dealers lot. Good luck.

 

[Papa Gallo]

A lot of fuel pump issues and CEL codes in America that don’t get diagnosed properly ...

do you have any actual figures for that? or are you making it up as you go ?



and how can you say they are being misdiagnosed ? - you do realise not every CEL is going to be a fuel pump issue ?

 

[Papa Gallo]

Just a thought, and am wondering - are people leaving their cars in Dynamic mode and then firing up the next morning in Dynamic ? - leaving the car to warm up in Dynamic mode ?


have you noticed anything "unusual" if you have ?

 

[Chicago]

Just a thought, and am wondering - are people leaving their cars in Dynamic mode and then firing up the next morning in Dynamic ? - leaving the car to warm up in Dynamic mode ?


have you noticed anything "unusual" if you have ?

I've had my QV since April (2017 model) and I always shut it down in Dynamic as I'm usually (95% of the time) in Race mode - that's all she's ever been driven in. I'll put it back in Dynamic as I pull into my neighborhood or will be in Race as I turn it off. I've had zero issues so far, and hope I didn't just jinx myself LOL!

 

[lost1750GTV]

I do that - it also defaults from r to d when turned off.
I can't think of why anyone thinks idling/stopping in r or d would cause anything unusual.
the other modes are detuning methods (from what is actually normal), probably reducing ignition advance and variable valve timing maybe to the levels which would be necessary with lower octane fuel.
just guessing on the methods - but I'd really like to hear a theory on why low rpm /idle/shut down in d or r would affect anything.

 

[Alfa Philly]

A lot of fuel pump issues and CEL codes in America that don’t get diagnosed properly ...

do you have any actual figures for that? or are you making it up as you go ?



and how can you say they are being misdiagnosed ? - you do realise not every CEL is going to be a fuel pump issue ?

Just read the forums and stay off my posts from now on. You just can’t accept that cars in America are having different issues than Australia I guess. Or you’re another blind Alfa loyalist who thinks that any Alfa owner with an issue is not loyal to the brand and shouldnt ask questions about it. News flash bloke, a lot of us are very loyal and pay $1400-$1500 a month for a quad. We also deal with many issues privately and don’t post them. So I’m sure you can search your little survey forums and get survey numbers for fuel pump issues and CEL or ETC codes. I know not every CEL code is a fuel pump so thanks for the heads up also. Just read the forums they can be helpful. Maybe you can start your own fuel pump forum. Oh wait, someone already did.

 

[Swissalfa]

Just a thought, and am wondering - are people leaving their cars in Dynamic mode and then firing up the next morning in Dynamic ? - leaving the car to warm up in Dynamic mode ?


have you noticed anything "unusual" if you have ?

I nearly always start the car in Dynamic mode as that is what I drive around in most of the time. No issues on warm up at all.

 

[Swissalfa]

A lot of fuel pump issues and CEL codes in America that don’t get diagnosed properly ...

do you have any actual figures for that? or are you making it up as you go ?



and how can you say they are being misdiagnosed ? - you do realise not every CEL is going to be a fuel pump issue ?

Just read the forums and stay off my posts from now on. You just can’t accept that cars in America are having different issues than Australia I guess. Or you’re another blind Alfa loyalist who thinks that any Alfa owner with an issue is not loyal to the brand and shouldnt ask questions about it. News flash bloke, a lot of us are very loyal and pay $1400-$1500 a month for a quad. We also deal with many issues privately and don’t post them. So I’m sure you can search your little survey forums and get survey numbers for fuel pump issues and CEL or ETC codes. I know not every CEL code is a fuel pump so thanks for the heads up also. Just read the forums they can be helpful. Maybe you can start your own fuel pump forum. Oh wait, someone already did.

Does anyone have any idea if the fuel pumps (or software for that matter) for the US are different than those for other markets? Just wondering if US cars got a bad batch of fuel pumps.

 

[Papa Gallo]

Just read the forums and stay off my posts from now on. You just can’t accept that cars in America are having different issues than Australia I guess. Or you’re another blind Alfa loyalist who thinks that any Alfa owner with an issue is not loyal to the brand and shouldnt ask questions about it. News flash bloke, a lot of us are very loyal and pay $1400-$1500 a month for a quad. We also deal with many issues privately and don’t post them. So I’m sure you can search your little survey forums and get survey numbers for fuel pump issues and CEL or ETC codes. I know not every CEL code is a fuel pump so thanks for the heads up also. Just read the forums they can be helpful. Maybe you can start your own fuel pump forum. Oh wait, someone already did.

that doesnt exactly answer the question though, does it -

I guess..

thats what i thought - and thats the chaff that needs to be sorted from the wheat- "dont get diagnosed properly" ?? - they have code readers, they read a code, and they act on that reading, they cant invent problems and they cant go replacing fuel pumps if an injector misfire code is thrown up for example - how can you say they are "misdiagnosed"

*(there is no need to start or propagate a rumour based on guesswork on a (technical) forum)*

 

[MINIME]

It seems like there were two primary culprits that many had to replace because of either a bad batch (battery) & Fuel pumps on the 2017 and maybe some 2018’s. Nothing earth shattering but probably a big headache for the early adopters that had to go through the pains of the learning curve or identification of the root cause. Seems that things are getting better quite quickly. Let’s look at this as a positive and hope the trend continues. I think things are looking up. A recall is not a big deal. I have had a number of recalls on every car including OMG Toyota.

 

[Papa Gallo]

Does anyone have any idea if the fuel pumps (or software for that matter) for the US are different than those for other markets? Just wondering if US cars got a bad batch of fuel pumps.

it would be interesting to answer that question BEFORE any conclusions about market are made, as unlikely as that sounds



could even be American fuel, contaminated batches, - there are too many external variables

Does anyone have any idea.

indeed

 

[onethumb]

A recall is not a big deal. I have had a number of recalls on every car including OMG Toyota.

^^^^ This. Only car I have not had a recall on was my TTS, but it was 4 years into the 2nd revision of the car (2010). I would expect that, after 12 years of production, they would have figured out most everything.

For that matter, if you look at the early recall history of those cars (TT's), there were some pretty eye-opening failures. Plenty of different failures that caused fires, cars that lifted at speed and flew off the highway, clutches that failed catastrophically and without warning, causing crashes...this all from a car based on an already well known platform.

Comparatively, the early Alfa issues are a nuisance.

 

[Alfa Philly]

Just read the forums and stay off my posts from now on. You just can’t accept that cars in America are having different issues than Australia I guess. Or you’re another blind Alfa loyalist who thinks that any Alfa owner with an issue is not loyal to the brand and shouldnt ask questions about it. News flash bloke, a lot of us are very loyal and pay $1400-$1500 a month for a quad. We also deal with many issues privately and don’t post them. So I’m sure you can search your little survey forums and get survey numbers for fuel pump issues and CEL or ETC codes. I know not every CEL code is a fuel pump so thanks for the heads up also. Just read the forums they can be helpful. Maybe you can start your own fuel pump forum. Oh wait, someone already did.

that doesnt exactly answer the question though, does it -

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I guess..

thats what i thought - and thats the chaff that needs to be sorted from the wheat- "dont get diagnosed properly" ?? - they have code readers, they read a code, and they act on that reading, they cant invent problems and they cant go replacing fuel pumps if an injector misfire code is thrown up for example - how can you say they are "misdiagnosed"

*(there is no need to start or propagate a rumour based on guesswork on a (technical) forum)*

I was playing bocce I come back and see you must of just got out of bed. You’re divisional and have a man crush on me. Do you read the forums about fuel pump Issues owners are having? No ones propagating it based on guess work.

 

[Papa Gallo]

what are you on about champ,


youre the one making the claims that "CELs are being misdiagnosed" (unless they show up as fuel pump errors), just simply correct me if im wrong,... and you can leave out the theatrics, thanks
here is your quote (again)

A lot of fuel pump issues and CEL codes in America that don’t get diagnosed properly and people’s cars sit for days and sometimes weeks often leading to lemon law claims.

?? please explain ??

 

[Alfa Philly]

Start from OP post on CEL and fuel
Pump. I can’t type it any slower.