[Papa Gallo]

It's funny, swapping stories of our check engine lights seems to be like a rite of passage around here. I don't remember the last time or if I have ever had a check engine light on a new car (or even a 2-3 year old car) still under warranty. Is this part of the reason why AR is an enthusiast centered brand? When mine came on I went home and hooked up the OBDII, read and cleared the code and had the knowledge to understand what it meant. Most people would probably just freak out if their new car was having such issues.

sounds pretty negative, champ -



just to balance the books, but out of 3,583 members only a handful have CEL

 

[MINIME]

sounds pretty negative, champ -



just to balance the books, but out of 3,583 members only a handful have CEL

And out of those handful how many were simply a fault from undesirable piloting than a true fault. I just posted because I want to learn what NOT to do. My husband is pretty confident the QV is fine and knows what happened and I think it was an issue with heel toe in a high gear. It isn't always the QV a lot of the time it is the piloting. We will get the reader off Amazon. Are BMW's, Porche, Benz all fault free no matter how much you drive the **** out of them?

 

[beaups]

sounds pretty negative, champ -



just to balance the books, but out of 3,583 members only a handful have CEL

And out of those handful how many were simply a fault from undesirable piloting than a true fault. I just posted because I want to learn what NOT to do. My husband is pretty confident the QV is fine and knows what happened and I think it was an issue with heel toe in a high gear. It isn't always the QV a lot of the time it is the piloting. We will get the reader off Amazon. Are BMW's, Porche, Benz all fault free no matter how much you drive the **** out of them?

Short answer is, no method of driving a car should set off a CEL. Not two-footed driving, beating in it, driving it uphill etc. Writing off a CEL to driver error is silly, it shouldn't happen.

 

[lockem]

Short answer is, no method of driving a car should set off a CEL. Not two-footed driving, beating in it, driving it uphill etc. Writing off a CEL to driver error is silly, it shouldn't happen.

Well, unless something is actually wrong with the car and that fault is only apparent under extreme conditions.

 

[beaups]

Short answer is, no method of driving a car should set off a CEL. Not two-footed driving, beating in it, driving it uphill etc. Writing off a CEL to driver error is silly, it shouldn't happen.

Well, unless something is actually wrong with the car and that fault is only apparent under extreme conditions.

Agreed, but that would be an issue with the car. My point is "drove it wrong" is no excuse for a CEL.

 

[MINIME]

Well, unless something is actually wrong with the car and that fault is only apparent under extreme conditions.

Thanks I will keep my appointment and see if they can look at the history of faults from the ECU. At first they said first available was 2 weeks out but they found one a week out. I will report back what they say.

 

[Johnm]

sounds pretty negative, champ -



just to balance the books, but out of 3,583 members only a handful have CEL

There was no negative spin to my comment other than how you took it. How can you blame me for seeing it this way when nearly all the magazine reviews mention lights coming on or other strange glitches, lots of threads here had me coming into ownership knowing full well what I may experience, and finally it actually does happen to me? I love my Giulia - hot mess and all, but AR isn't a brand to come to if you worry about little stuff like check engine lights.

 

[Papa Gallo]

There was no negative spin to my comment other than how you took it. How can you blame me for seeing it this way when nearly all the magazine reviews mention lights coming on or other strange glitches, lots of threads here had me coming into ownership knowing full well what I may experience, and finally it actually does happen to me? I love my Giulia - hot mess and all, but AR isn't a brand to come to if you worry about little stuff like check engine lights.

sure,

but as i already said, out of 3,583 members only a handful have CEL

 

[Papa Gallo]

Agreed, but that would be an issue with the car. My point is "drove it wrong" is no excuse for a CEL.

why would anyone want to apply the left foot to the brake whilst applying throttle with the right ? - that is enough to set off a non specific CEL yes, and a few magazines (one in particular) knew this, did this during their testing and reviews, admitted they did this, and then when it was established that it was indeed left foot braking that caused the problem (and not specific"Alfa reliability" as they were implying ) they then deleted all the comments where they admitted they induced the fault with left foot braking - i know because i was personally involved in the discussion -



Alfa Giulia has a revolutionary new braking system - very sophisticated and already award winning - if you try and introduce illogical conditions, it is more than understandable that certain generic non specific errors may be thrown up - it actually doesnt necessarily mean there is a fault (in this instance) other than - driver error



perhaps a CD warning light could be introduced (Check Driver)

brief outline of the system

http://www.road-to-zero.com/roads/w...inental-helps-the-alfa-romeo-giulia-put-in-a-show-stopping-braking-performance/



https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/geek-speak-alfa-romeos-brake-by-wire


https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/explained-continental-mk-c1-brake-by-wire

 

[RDAlfa]

sure,

but as i already said, out of 3,583 members only a handful have CEL

Hi, I’m not sure that really matters for those that have had CEL, which was why the thread was started in the first place. I agree with the general position that CEL would concern most average new car owners. This forum though, is a great resource for Giulia owners to learn that it’s not uncommon and not always a big deal for these cars. Personally, I think that if Alfa wants to expand beyond a small group of diehard loyalists and car people savvy enough to own readers and clear codes, they’ll want to work to limit the # of conditions which throw a CEL. If they want to get to MB, BMW, Audi sales #s in the US, they’ll need to be adopted by more ‘average’ consumers, e.g. those that might freak out when CEL shows up. I would also guess that lots of unmentioned CELs exist in the user-base, especially if it came and went because the condition that triggered it was transient.

 

[Papa Gallo]

yeah sure of course, but to say, or imply it affects every car, or even most cars, is a bit of a stretch


"swapping stories of our CEL warnings" - implies a majority of members here report CEL and have "stories" to tell

"nearly all magazine reviews"

"lots of threads"



"those that have had CEL" as you say, needs to be said that its not every car - i had it occur only the once, and never recurred again after a specfic S/W update

 

[Papa Gallo]

i think there appears to be a misunderstanding as to what i am trying to communicate here

 

[RDAlfa]

yeah sure of course, but to say, or imply it affects every car, or even most cars, is a bit of a stretch...

Fair enough. Good to know you’re part of the non-impacted majority. Hoping to be there myself soon!

 

[Alfa Philly]

You both make valid points. I guess the biggest issue is no car should through a CEL from driver error. If it’s suppose to be a high quality car and engine then it should be able to handle almost any condition of driving. One foot. Two foot etc. I think Alfa needs to address of things before they really take sales away from the big three German cars. I don’t ever see that happening really but Alfa could be a solid #4 seller and still compete.

 

[beaups]

Agreed, but that would be an issue with the car. My point is "drove it wrong" is no excuse for a CEL.

why would anyone want to apply the left foot to the brake whilst applying throttle with the right ? - that is enough to set off a non specific CEL yes, and a few magazines (one in particular) knew this, did this during their testing and reviews, admitted they did this, and then when it was established that it was indeed left foot braking that caused the problem (and not specific"Alfa reliability" as they were implying ) they then deleted all the comments where they admitted they induced the fault with left foot braking - i know because i was personally involved in the discussion -



Alfa Giulia has a revolutionary new braking system - very sophisticated and already award winning - if you try and introduce illogical conditions, it is more than understandable that certain generic non specific errors may be thrown up - it actually doesnt necessarily mean there is a fault (in this instance) other than - driver error



perhaps a CD warning light could be introduced (Check Driver)

brief outline of the system

http://www.road-to-zero.com/roads/w...inental-helps-the-alfa-romeo-giulia-put-in-a-show-stopping-braking-performance/



https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/geek-speak-alfa-romeos-brake-by-wire


https://www.whichcar.com.au/features/explained-continental-mk-c1-brake-by-wire

Why? You do it a lot on the track. Google "trail braking". Use the brakes to shift weight to the front (to prevent understeer) while using the throttle to add speed.

Not to mention, on turbo cars it can be used as a technique to keeps the turbos spooled during cornering/braking.

Regardless, it's no excuse to throw codes.

 

[Papa Gallo]

this is brake by wire though -

 

[beaups]

this is brake by wire though -

Yes. Your point?

 

[BGorilla]

This CEL sounds exactly like the one I got on the track with my QV. I was accelerating hard out of a sharp turn, up a slight incline and it lit up. A few restarts and it was gone for good with no residual symptoms. Mine was with plenty of fuel and right after an oil change. Wonder what it is about that set of circumstances that Giulia doesn't like.

 

[Johnm]

yeah sure of course, but to say, or imply it affects every car, or even most cars, is a bit of a stretch


"swapping stories of our CEL warnings" - implies a majority of members here report CEL and have "stories" to tell

"nearly all magazine reviews"

"lots of threads"



"those that have had CEL" as you say, needs to be said that its not every car - i had it occur only the once, and never recurred again after a specfic S/W update

So wait, you're saying you had one too? You keep saying "only a handful" have had it, but do you actually have any hard numbers to back that up or is it just your opinion?

 

[Alfa Philly]

yeah sure of course, but to say, or imply it affects every car, or even most cars, is a bit of a stretch


"swapping stories of our CEL warnings" - implies a majority of members here report CEL and have "stories" to tell

"nearly all magazine reviews"

"lots of threads"



"those that have had CEL" as you say, needs to be said that its not every car - i had it occur only the once, and never recurred again after a specfic S/W update

So wait, you're saying you had one too? You keep saying "only a handful" have had it, but do you actually have any hard numbers to back that up or is it just your opinion?

I think almost every giulia 2.0 or quad has some issues. It’s a matter of how big they are or how easily they are fixed. I owned a TI last year and it was constantly throwing codes. This year I have a quad and it throws codes monthly. Usually cycling out removes them. Hate to say it But these cars are always going to have problems. It’s a shame and I’m ready to deal with it because I love the car but it’s gonna take years to fix. Not sure if Alfa has years left in America to make it right. Hope so.