As long as it meets or exceeds API-SP it is suitable. So yes the Mobil 1 AFE and ESP are usable.

 

AFE is what you want

 

If your engine is under warranty, using an oil that does not meet the FIAT spec (I forget the number, it should be in your owner's manual) could result in a warranty claim denial in the case of any engine failure.

 

I've been using Mobil 1 AFE for the past 7 years of oil changes, no issues. The AFE bottles are labeled for meeting or exceeding API-SP. It's interesting they don't label the ESP bottles as such but state it online. I would think that good enough, but I will probably stick with AFE.

 

I agree. If it's posted on the bottle, I can bring one in if there's a denied warranty claim to demonstrate it is good.
Maybe wait till the bottle is updated for ESP, but for sure AFE is 100% acceptable.

 

I've seen people using this on this forum before, and there are youtube videos of people using it (and also using the advanced fuel economy variant as well). This is the first oil that comes up everytime I type in ENGINE OIL for my car in a search result on any automotive site. This is also the oil that the dealership used where I bought my car prior to my purchase. I've used it for two of my oil changes so far (about 10,000 miles worth of driving). Now, I haven't experienced any issues, but I want to make sure that this is the proper oil and is okay to be using with the 2.0L Q4 Giulia.

I know some people are just gonna say "buy from the dealership" or "go order the OEM stuff online", well that's easy for you to say but the closest dealership to me is 2 hours away and they won't ship the stuff, and I'm not driving 2 hours to pickup engine oil.. I'm also not ordering engine oil from Europe and waiting a month or two for it to get here and paying import shipping costs..

The problem with this oil is the back of the container is not very specific, but on the mobil 1 website, it looks like it meets specifications based on what they have documented for it.

Anymore insight into this? Can I use it or not?

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Based off the website information, the oil "should" meet the SP requirements. However, to be safe just use 0W-30 oil with the actual SP donut certification label on the bottle like the Mobil 1 Advance Fuel Economy version.

The Mobil 1 ESP oil is formulated to be more of a diesel engine oil and may contain more calcium(bad for our engine) than the AFE oil.

 

Just to add to the confusion, the European site is more updated...and mentions LSPI.

While it doesn't have API's donut...some of it's other approvals do have LSPI tests in them.

It's a really good oil...However, if something did happen, I wouldn't be surprised if Alfa denied a warranty claim simply because it doesn't have the API donut.

 

I just filled with this on Monday.

Yeah, I know... 5W-30. wah wah I don't care

 

I just filled with this on Monday.
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Yeah, I know... 5W-30. wah wah I don't care

 

It should be acceptable to change viscosity due to environmental considerations like living on the surface of the sun like here in Arizona. I've been using this stuff for 6 years. European car formula. It appears to check all the boxes. Autozone, O'Reilly and WalMart all carry it.

 

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It's not 1950 anymore, not even 1980 anymore where you ran different weight oil in different temperatures. Modern synthetics don't lose viscosity like older conventional oils did.
That said, the engineers do occasionally get it wrong. Ford did when they respecced the 4.6V8 for 0w20 vs 5w30. The 0 was never an issue, but the 20 weight oil caused spun bearings on Mustangs being driven hard/high rpm. They put the motor in everything from Econolines to Mustangs, so while they were chasing better MPG, it caused issue in very specific conditions.

GM also recently learned that lesson with the 6.2L V8, and putting too thin an oil in it in heavy duty applications causes issues as well.

I don't see that being much of an issue in the 2.0T, but there is a chart in the manual I believe that states what oils to use and what temperature ranges to use them in.

 

Alfa does concede to 5w30 in the 2.0T for warmer temperatures.

It's not 1950 anymore, not even 1980 anymore where you ran different weight oil in different temperatures. Modern synthetics don't lose viscosity like older conventional oils did.
That said, the engineers do occasionally get it wrong. Ford did when they respecced the 4.6V8 for 0w20 vs 5w30. The 0 was never an issue, but the 20 weight oil caused spun bearings on Mustangs being driven hard/high rpm. They put the motor in everything from Econolines to Mustangs, so while they were chasing better MPG, it caused issue in very specific conditions.

GM also recently learned that lesson with the 6.2L V8, and putting too thin an oil in it in heavy duty applications causes issues as well.

I don't see that being much of an issue in the 2.0T, but there is a chart in the manual I believe that states what oils to use and what temperature ranges to use them in.

Alfa Romeo actually stated(conceded) that 5W-30 oil can be used in the 2.0T Giulia mulitair2 equipped engines?

Where is that printed?

The 2025 owners manual still states 0w-30 SP rated oil with the API donut.

 

So many cars (beginning in 80's?-90's and on) have oil level sensors (simple systems that illuminates a light or icon on the IP) that warn the driver if the oil level is too low, and a dipstick. Good. Now, cars like the Giulia Quad have a dipstick and an infotainment screen with a virtual image of a dipstick that will warn the driver if the oil level is too low. Good. The Giulia 2.0 has only the electronic system. A terrible one at that. Maybe sometimes it will recalculate and display the new level (after adding oil) with the "idle 5 minutes on level ground" method. Many times it doesn't Never worked for me. Have you tried it? How many posts here of folks who added quart after quart because the system never indicated a new level. If it had a dipstick, problem solved. The system is terrible. Should have a dipstick.

There are posts here of 2023 or 2024 owners manuals that showed oil viscosity as 5W-30. Maybe someone here has a paper manual and will post. I inquired with my dealer who inquired with Alfa and was told that it was mistake. It was subsequently changed on all electronic manuals.

IMHO, for most engines, it is ok to use varying viscosities depending on ambient conditions or ongoing engine mileage and component wear. The Multi-Air unit and maybe some other exotic engine parts may be some exceptions. IMHO, cars that live in areas that never see extreme cold temps would have no problem using 5W-30 or 0w-40.

Some engines wear piston rings. BMW 6 and 8's in the 90's and aughts had this problem. After about 100k they started drinking the recommended 5W-30. Our e39 M54 did this, as well as others that I serviced and knew of. I, and others changed to 15w-40 and cut the consumption in half, or more. We (wife and I) put over 200k on that engine AFTER changing to 15w-40. Never had an internal engine problem.

 

So many cars (beginning in 80's?-90's and on) have oil level sensors (simple systems that illuminates a light or icon on the IP) that warn the driver if the oil level is too low, and a dipstick. Good. Now, cars like the Giulia Quad have a dipstick and an infotainment screen with a virtual image of a dipstick that will warn the driver if the oil level is too low. Good. The Giulia 2.0 has only the electronic system. A terrible one at that. Maybe sometimes it will recalculate and display the new level (after adding oil) with the "idle 5 minutes on level ground" method. Many times it doesn't Never worked for me. Have you tried it? How many posts here of folks who added quart after quart because the system never indicated a new level. If it had a dipstick, problem solved. The system is terrible. Should have a dipstick.

There are posts here of 2023 or 2024 owners manuals that showed oil viscosity as 5W-30. Maybe someone here has a paper manual and will post. I inquired with my dealer who inquired with Alfa and was told that it was mistake. It was subsequently changed on all electronic manuals.

IMHO, for most engines, it is ok to use varying viscosities depending on ambient conditions or ongoing engine mileage and component wear. The Multi-Air unit and maybe some other exotic engine parts may be some exceptions. IMHO, cars that live in areas that never see extreme cold temps would have no problem using 5W-30 or 0w-40.

Some engines wear piston rings. BMW 6 and 8's in the 90's and aughts had this problem. After about 100k they started drinking the recommended 5W-30. Our e39 M54 did this, as well as others that I serviced and knew of. I, and others changed to 15w-40 and cut the consumption in half, or more. We (wife and I) put over 200k on that engine AFTER changing to 15w-40. Never had an internal engine problem.

No dice. You can try to rationalize the use a different oil viscosity based on BMW and other brand engine issues or oil recommendations to address those issue, but Alfa Romeo made no such written statement that any oil other than 0W-30 is acceptable to use in the 2.0T engine in the owners "manual". However, in the owners "handbook" the company still list 5W-30 SP oil as the recommended oil to use.

2023 owner manual states 0W-30 oil as well as the 2024 owner manual. Will using 5W-30 oil cause any issue mostly likely not. Heck the 2025 handbook still has 5W-30 listed as the recommended oil.

The latest handbook still has 5W-30 listed. Weird.