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I just tried to pull onto a 55mph road from a side street. Steering wheel probably turned 45 degrees while stopped.

I had an opening in traffic and pinned the throttle and the car inched out into traffic like it was in limp mode. Im watching the 55mph traffic get closer and closer like its in slow motion...

... and probably 2 secs goes buy and its like the throttle inout was finally accepted and the car hooks up and takes off hard. Scary.

It definitely wasnt turbo lag. I cant tell if its throttle lad perhaps from an over restrictive stability control not allowing those throttle inputs with the steering wheel turned or if its transmission lag.

Im going to test the same scenario (minus the traffic lol) in manual mode (starting in guaranteed 1st gear) vs also starting with race mode enabled to see if either one makes a difference.

Car really pissed me off on that one.
What I’ve observed is the car responds faster to 1/2 or 3/4 throttle than pinning it to the floor. If that isn’t enough acceleration to pull into traffic, maybe you should wait. 🙂
 
No diesel Alfas in the North American market though. Also, no 0 to 100KPH in 5.1 seconds with a diesel.

Don't you start with a "bang" by hitting the accelerator pedal while the handbrake is still set? I have not tried that with my 2.0T, but that does seem likely to be a way to override the shift to neutral at a stop behavior since I think it starts putting the transmission back in gear as soon as the foot brake is released.

I presume that shift to neutral at a stop is mandated for fuel economy and/or smog control purposes.
I didn't know about this shift to neutral at full stops thing. I noticed a "lag"/slight jerkiness pulling away from stops that exists whether or not auto start/stop is deactivated. For this reason I almost never deactivate start/stop bc I really do get better fuel economy and it does nothing to improve this hesitation pulling away from stops.

As for the acceleration lag the OP is talking about, I know what you mean. It doesn't feel so much like turbo lag or anything besides computers trying to tell the engine and trans what they think you want. I just hit around 1,450 miles today and I have to say I'm starting to really feel an intuitive connection with the car as I learn how to drive it and as it learns to be driven by me. You'll see people talking about the adaptation period on these cars left and right when they're new and/or when new mods are put on the car. You truly do feel the difference over time as the car learns.

My rec is to just give it some time. It doesn't like drastic throttle inputs, likely due to systems trying to figure out if you'll have the traction to lay down the torque you're requesting or not. You'll notice when you're in a window of aggressive driving that the shift logic for the transmission will completely differ, making sure you have more revs and boost at a moments notice. If you're cruising, cruising, cruising and then floor it, it'll be reluctant to go (odd, I agree). Once you get in a twisty section of road and you start carving in automatic mode the shifts are extremely intuitive once the transmission puts itself in "sport mode" regardless of DNA mode.
 
I just tried to pull onto a 55mph road from a side street. Steering wheel probably turned 45 degrees while stopped.

I had an opening in traffic and pinned the throttle and the car inched out into traffic like it was in limp mode. Im watching the 55mph traffic get closer and closer like its in slow motion...

... and probably 2 secs goes buy and its like the throttle inout was finally accepted and the car hooks up and takes off hard. Scary.

It definitely wasnt turbo lag. I cant tell if its throttle lad perhaps from an over restrictive stability control not allowing those throttle inputs with the steering wheel turned or if its transmission lag.

Im going to test the same scenario (minus the traffic lol) in manual mode (starting in guaranteed 1st gear) vs also starting with race mode enabled to see if either one makes a difference.

Car really pissed me off on that one.
Did you first read this thread before or after that incident?
 
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I just tried to pull onto a 55mph road from a side street. Steering wheel probably turned 45 degrees while stopped.

I had an opening in traffic and pinned the throttle and the car inched out into traffic like it was in limp mode. Im watching the 55mph traffic get closer and closer like its in slow motion...

... and probably 2 secs goes buy and its like the throttle inout was finally accepted and the car hooks up and takes off hard. Scary.

It definitely wasnt turbo lag. I cant tell if its throttle lad perhaps from an over restrictive stability control not allowing those throttle inputs with the steering wheel turned or if its transmission lag.

Im going to test the same scenario (minus the traffic lol) in manual mode (starting in guaranteed 1st gear) vs also starting with race mode enabled to see if either one makes a difference.

Car really pissed me off on that one.
Yep, it really sucks. It's a safety thing I'm sure... albeit an improperly programmed safety thing.
 
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Yep, it really sucks. It's a safety thing I'm sure... albeit an improperly programmed safety thing.
Do you really think that?

I’d be more likely to guess emissions or fuel economy
 
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Do you really think that?

I’d be more likely to guess emissions or fuel economy
I really think it's a "You want to do what with that steering angle? Hmmm, let's see if you're serious."

LOL
 
I really think it's a "You want to do what with that steering angle? Hmmm, let's see if you're serious."

LOL
Shouldn’t traction and/or stability control be able to address that?
 
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Ecu tune Eliminates the lag in a QV. Not sure about 2.0 but I would imagine it’s similar. Almost any turbo will have some lag but I would say my pedal is about 95% instant compared to 75% prior to tuning.
 
Ecu tune Eliminates the lag in a QV. Not sure about 2.0 but I would imagine it’s similar. Almost any turbo will have some lag but I would say my pedal is about 95% instant compared to 75% prior to tuning.
Nope, not on mine (EC E+D Tune). It's not turbo lag, it's severe input lag. You get 0% throttle if you mash the pedal and the wheel is turned more than x°. I believe it could also be related to doing that right after you came to a stop.
 
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Yeah i have a pedal tuner from madness that allows me to mimic D mode (because im stuck in N for throttle mapping due to race mode mod) and even if i turn it up to aggressive settings (which are way too aggressive if you want any type of throttle modulation) its still the same odd issue from dead stop with wheel turned.

I wouldn't be surprised if the more aggressive pedal settings actually make this issue worse since giving full throttle input is the activating event and with flash tunes or pedal tuners that turn up throttle sensitivity you are getting more throttle opening with less pedal input.

That said yes in all other situations the more aggressive throttle settings make the car respond better to part throttle inputs
 
Nope, not on mine (EC E+D Tune). It's not turbo lag, it's severe input lag. You get 0% throttle if you mash the pedal and the wheel is turned more than x°. I believe it could also be related to doing that right after you came to a stop.
should be same throttle system in QV and 2.0 right? Wonder if it’s something EC doesn’t mess with for safety reasons? I also have turbo overboost off and the start/stop is always deactivated. I def don’t have the same lag on pedal response. Stock it was exactly how you describe and it went away after tuning. Not fully but 95% better. Maybe high wtq is masking it in my case.
 
should be same throttle system in QV and 2.0 right? Wonder if it’s something EC doesn’t mess with for safety reasons? I also have turbo overboost off and the start/stop is always deactivated. I def don’t have the same lag on pedal response. Stock it was exactly how you describe and it went away after tuning. Not fully but 95% better. Maybe high wtq is masking it in my case.
HP and TQ are not even part of the equation. There is nothing, nada, zilch. Like the car is off, and after WAY too long (1-2 seconds) it finally goes oh shit you really DO want 100%. vroom. I experienced it before the tune, btw. EC tune for 2.0 may be diff.
 
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HP and TQ are not even part of the equation. There is nothing, nada, zilch. Like the car is off, and after WAY too long (1-2 seconds) it finally goes oh shit you really DO want 100%. vroom. I experienced it before the tune, btw. EC tune for 2.0 may be diff.
thats definitely different from what i experienced. That’s sounds pretty dangerous to get zero pedal response even for a few seconds. What if abs and traction control are turned off? Like dyno mode?
 
thats definitely different from what i experienced. That’s sounds pretty dangerous to get zero pedal response even for a few seconds. What if abs and traction control are turned off? Like dyno mode?
If I'm in Race mode (mod) I'm not usually at a stop, so I don't know.
 
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Worth testing. It’s also worth testing in dyno mode, which turns all aids off, to determine if it’s strictly related to the ESC.
I do remember when I tried dyno mode, the car felt very normal and more responsive but less twitchy than it usually does. I feel like it's normally running around with a million voices in its head, dyno mode quiets those voices so it can think more clearly.
 
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