[C.Q4]

So another “special edition” QV that’s not all that special for NA. Got it.

Does any car in the US come with it? The Golf R in the US also does not offer it ($3k option in Europe).

 

[C.Q4]

I talk to Ron quite a bit — Alfa USA will typically send him any PRs right before release. He did not receive one prior to the Stellantis PR about the Super Sport and I believe he made an assumption that we were not getting them based on sources, and then that information was corrected the next day—with Ron’s third post. He has deep connections in Michigan and I honestly believe (he hasn’t told me this) that Alfa USA are like the absolute last to know anything.

Correct. I talk to him also, and I informed him of the Super Sport in the US.

 

[Giuliano]

You guys who know and talk to Ron, and assuming that his connections with Alfa Romeo are legit, just please ask him to provide to L. Dominique all the feedback, opinions and points of view that we have in this Forum about him and his capabilities on moving Alfa Romeo in the USA in the right direction. He is selling less than 11,000 cars/yr, his dealers have no clue on what is going on, dealers are closing everyday but, we want to believe that Alfa Romeo is here in the US to stay.

 

[QuadriFormaggi]

Does any car in the US come with it? The Golf R in the US also does not offer it ($3k option in Europe).

I’m not even referring to the exhaust specifically.

 

[614]

You guys who know and talk to Ron, and assuming that his connections with Alfa Romeo are legit, just please ask him to provide to L. Dominique all the feedback, opinions and points of view that we have in this Forum about him and his capabilities on moving Alfa Romeo in the USA in the right direction. He is selling less than 11,000 cars/yr, his dealers have no clue on what is going on, dealers are closing everyday but, we want to believe that Alfa Romeo is here in the US to stay.

He works more with the Marketing and PR teams. I’m one of the grumps who annoy Larry — he hasn’t responded to my last message about Crown Alfa closing. He knows he fucked that up.

 

[Alpha]

Why would the dealers even care... What are they supposed to get all giddy about perhaps selling a single car?

 

[Giuliano]

He works more with the Marketing and PR teams. I’m one of the grumps who annoy Larry — he hasn’t responded to my last message about Crown Alfa closing. He knows he fucked that up.

Same here. I sent him an email last Sunday and he hasn't responded to me. He normally responds to me but apparently, this time he will pass.

 

[hawkeye_a]

You guys who know and talk to Ron, and assuming that his connections with Alfa Romeo are legit, just please ask him to provide to L. Dominique all the feedback, opinions and points of view that we have in this Forum about him and his capabilities on moving Alfa Romeo in the USA in the right direction. He is selling less than 11,000 cars/yr, his dealers have no clue on what is going on, dealers are closing everyday but, we want to believe that Alfa Romeo is here in the US to stay.

Larry isn't interested in selling Alfa Romeos. He'll wake up once they start selling Peugeots.

 

[blinkme323]

So the company that failed to inform dealers that they removed a carbon fiber roof from the car, also failed to inform them of a special edition? I'm SHOCKED

 

[Avnyc11]

I put my name in for a Giulia. We’ll see what happens.

Got a call back first thing this morning. I'm on the allocation list No deposit required for current Alfa owners. And the dealer I still get to work with is Crown because they are technically on the books until May 20th, already spoke with them as well--Alfa is getting the configurations loaded into their DFN.

I feel like your ocra gt is more special than this and yes this is coming from a guy who owns and loves his VB

Shame they didnt give it more from the GTA, to make it truly a "Super sport". At least it gets the exhaust.

The GTA has center exit exhausts in addition to being akra; the qv special exhaust is akra but still quad pipe

Could you expand on your comment about 100th being more special...

So for the Quad we have had... (not all markets I'm guessing)
- NRing
-Racing Edition
-100th anniversario
-Super Sport

I still think NRing for me, but the Super Sport is numbered unlike the 100th. I can't remember if the Racing edition was numbered... maybe it was.

Have I missed any other special editions?

Racing edition has to be the most special besides the GTA/m since it got actual part modifications such as the larger spoiler, and front canards; plus it was the first to offer akra exhaust and increased hp through tune.

 

[REDGTA]

I have bought my fair share of Alfa Romeo's so I think I have an opinion. What I worry about is that no one is looking at the product as a journey for the customer. Someone needs to look at the current Giulia and say how do we make next Giulia better. Each new release can't be a new thing. New Giulia needs to build on current Giulia and be excellent. I know Alfa Romeo isn't Porsche, but 911 means something in the same way Giulia does. New 911's come out on a pretty regular basis and there is always a debate about what they have changed and how have they evolved it. Sure, some get better reception than others, but the story gets moved forward. People get that.

The move to electric can't get ahead of the customer or they won't buy. No secret next 911 is a hybrid, and I think we all except Giulia will as be well. But just make new Giulia better than current Giulia and let the powertrains go where the market is going.

I am optimistic because I need to be. But I'm waiting to be shown what I should buy next... These special editions are all good, and some of us will want low fat, and others will want full fat QV's and that is fine. But my message to Alfa Romeo is 'Just don't screw up Giulia...'

 

[C.Q4]

I have bought my fair share of Alfa Romeo's so I think I have an opinion. What I worry about is that no one is looking at the product as a journey for the customer. Someone needs to look at the current Giulia and say how do we make next Giulia better. Each new release can't be a new thing. New Giulia needs to build on current Giulia and be excellent. I know Alfa Romeo isn't Porsche, but 911 means something in the same way Giulia does. New 911's come out on a pretty regular basis and there is always a debate about what they have changed and how have they evolved it. Sure, some get better reception than others, but the story gets moved forward. People get that.

The move to electric can't get ahead of the customer or they won't buy. No secret next 911 is a hybrid, and I think we all except Giulia will as be well. But just make new Giulia better than current Giulia and let the powertrains go where the market is going.

I am optimistic because I need to be. But I'm waiting to be shown what I should buy next... These special editions are all good, and some of us will want low fat, and others will want full fat QV's and that is fine. But my message to Alfa Romeo is 'Just don't screw up Giulia...'

Considering the car hasn't changed since 2016 means they never had an upgrade roadmap in mind (besides the long wheel base). Interior and exterior lighting changes are supposed to come every two to four years. There's been zero technical development in 8 years.

 

[weihnachts]

Considering the car hasn't changed since 2016 means they never had an upgrade roadmap in mind (besides the long wheel base). Interior and exterior lighting changes are supposed to come every two to four years. There's been zero technical development in 8 years.

Everyone likes to go on and on about how much influence the people from Ferrari had on this car. Whether there is actual merit to describing it as a "baby four door Ferrari" is debatable, but it is conspicuous that the car has had "zero technical development in 8 years", and that that aligns fairly closely with the absence of Ferrari influence from FCA (or now Stellantis or whatever).

As much as I love this car, over the years, things like this have made me wonder more and more about whether Alfa themselves were capable of a vision forward with this car without that skunkworks development team in place. It has almost seemed like they've since been terrified of making significant changes themselves without that influence.

I'm not trying to dump on Alfa and I'd love for them to prove me wrong. I think it's often thrown around out there that the MC20 was originally an Alfa before Maserati got to have it. By all accounts that's a fantastic car. So, if that's true, Alfa has fairly recently been capable of some good stuff. But, like @REDGTA said, I'm waiting to be shown what I should buy next.

 

[Legacy]

Everyone likes to go on and on about how much influence the people from Ferrari had on this car. Whether there is actual merit to describing it as a "baby four door Ferrari" is debatable, but it is conspicuous that the car has had "zero technical development in 8 years", and that that aligns fairly closely with the absence of Ferrari influence from FCA (or now Stellantis or whatever).

As much as I love this car, over the years, things like this have made me wonder more and more about whether Alfa themselves were capable of a vision forward with this car without that skunkworks development team in place. It has almost seemed like they've since been terrified of making significant changes themselves without that influence.

I'm not trying to dump on Alfa and I'd love for them to prove me wrong. I think it's often thrown around out there that the MC20 was originally an Alfa before Maserati got to have it. By all accounts that's a fantastic car. So, if that's true, Alfa has fairly recently been capable of some good stuff. But, like @REDGTA said, I'm waiting to be shown what I should buy next.

Think the GTA/m came out within those 8 years.. but yes, they could have done much more. few additional tweaks/trims could have dethroned the 3 series//Mx

 

[Giuliano]

I have bought my fair share of Alfa Romeo's so I think I have an opinion. What I worry about is that no one is looking at the product as a journey for the customer. Someone needs to look at the current Giulia and say how do we make next Giulia better. Each new release can't be a new thing. New Giulia needs to build on current Giulia and be excellent. I know Alfa Romeo isn't Porsche, but 911 means something in the same way Giulia does. New 911's come out on a pretty regular basis and there is always a debate about what they have changed and how have they evolved it. Sure, some get better reception than others, but the story gets moved forward. People get that.

The move to electric can't get ahead of the customer or they won't buy. No secret next 911 is a hybrid, and I think we all except Giulia will as be well. But just make new Giulia better than current Giulia and let the powertrains go where the market is going.

I am optimistic because I need to be. But I'm waiting to be shown what I should buy next... These special editions are all good, and some of us will want low fat, and others will want full fat QV's and that is fine. But my message to Alfa Romeo is 'Just don't screw up Giulia...'

My opinion is that the product is not the problem. Giulia, as the product, is excellent. It does not matter if it is a 2016 model, a 2020 model or a 2024 model. It does not matter if it has new front lights or not. It does not matter if the changes versus previous year is consumer noticeable or not. The product is not the problem. The only one problem is management. The plans, the communication, the executions, are all a disaster. If a company cannot sell a product like Giulia, it's management must be fired, immediately. You are completely right on your comments about the 911 and about the electrification.

 

[C.Q4]

My opinion is that the product is not the problem. Giulia, as the product, is excellent. It does not matter if it is a 2016 model, a 2020 model or a 2024 model. It does not matter if it has new front lights or not. It does not matter if the changes versus previous year is consumer noticeable or not. The product is not the problem. The only one problem is management. The plans, the communication, the executions, are all a disaster. If a company cannot sell a product like Giulia, it's management must be fired, immediately. You are completely right on your comments about the 911 and about the electrification.

It's the product, and the management.

Yes, the management has done a terrible job advertising, subduing the unreliable perception and setting up a quality dealer network.

However, they have also failed with the product. It's priced too high for it's place in the premium segment, the rear seat is nearly unusable, the B-Pillar is in the wrong spot (fixed in Stelvio), the IBS brakes are unnerving, the back up camera screen is too small and low resolution, the interior has too much hard plastic, the dash is only acceptable with the leather package, etc. The BMW 3 Series and Audi A4 don't have those problems, and they sell multiples of the Giulia. There should have been a big update that fixed these issues, and improved the car to be even better than today.

We can overlook these issues, because the Giulia is worth more than the sum of it's parts, to us. It's truly a joy to drive (not the brakes for around town), and the community is awesome. I would get another Giorgio car, but man, imagine what it could have been by now.

 

[614]

Considering the car hasn't changed since 2016 means they never had an upgrade roadmap in mind (besides the long wheel base). Interior and exterior lighting changes are supposed to come every two to four years. There's been zero technical development in 8 years.

They did have a roadmap, then Stellantis happened. The 6C anyone? I don’t know that FCA would have kept moving things forward according to the original plan to the letter; but there was a plan.

 

[C.Q4]

They did have a roadmap, then Stellantis happened. The 6C anyone? I don’t know that FCA would have kept moving things forward according to the original plan to the letter; but there was a plan.

I think you mean the roadmap to add other cars.

That’s not the same as a roadmap to improve each model. Facelifts, big model changes. The Giulia hasn’t been “all-new” since 2016.

We got only a facelift; split between 2020 and 2024, but nothing else. Usually, new generations come out every 5 years.

 

[614]

I think you mean the roadmap to add other cars.

That’s not the same as a roadmap to improve each model. Facelifts, big model changes. The Giulia hasn’t been “all-new” since 2016.

We got only a facelift; split between 2020 and 2024, but nothing else. Usually, new generations come out every 5 years.

That’s fair, although we never really will know what the plans were. If new models are coming out, potentially new money coming in, leads to R&D investment, possibly updates to their flagships.

Instead, STLA came in, cut corners and costs, raised prices and road out whatever was left. A blindfold, 2 year old, dart and dartboard would have been about as accurate at predicting where Alfa would end up after.

 

[Giuliano]

It's the product, and the management.

Yes, the management has done a terrible job advertising, subduing the unreliable perception and setting up a quality dealer network.

However, they have also failed with the product. It's priced too high for it's place in the premium segment, the rear seat is nearly unusable, the B-Pillar is in the wrong spot (fixed in Stelvio), the IBS brakes are unnerving, the back up camera screen is too small and low resolution, the interior has too much hard plastic, the dash is only acceptable with the leather package, etc. The BMW 3 Series and Audi A4 don't have those problems, and they sell multiples of the Giulia. There should have been a big update that fixed these issues, and improved the car to be even better than today.

We can overlook these issues, because the Giulia is worth more than the sum of it's parts, to us. It's truly a joy to drive (not the brakes for around town), and the community is awesome. I would get another Giorgio car, but man, imagine what it could have been by now.

The product is almost perfect. I can use the rear seat without any problem. The B-Pilar is perfectly located for me. I have zero issues with the IBS brakes, the back-up camera and I love the interior. If the Giulia, as it is right now, would be in the hands of capable management, with the right pricing (decided by that capable management), with the right marketing and with the right dealers both capability and customer service, that car would be selling 10x what is selling today.