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Well when you compare one of the biggest tuning platforms with perhaps the worst tuning platform you will see many differences. The 2jz is a legend. The 2.9 is a dud
Well, you could have an S650 mustang which has a locked ecu still...making 600 with a tune aint bad! the 2J has a way bigger market with a lot more development going. Main limiting factor is the stock turbskis. Most factory engines need a build past 600-700 whp anyway. Good article here:


It seems to be a robust construction if people were willing to invest in it.
 
What would happen if someone made aftermarket stronger and lighter ones?
Actually it looks like an company called ItalianRP makes a set of H-beam rods for the QV, if anyone is adventurous..

 
Well, you could have an S650 mustang which has a locked ecu still...making 600 with a tune aint bad! the 2J has a way bigger market with a lot more development going. Main limiting factor is the stock turbskis. Most factory engines need a build past 600-700 whp anyway. Good article here:


It seems to be a robust construction if people were willing to invest in it.
Very very cool
 
Actually it looks like an company called ItalianRP makes a set of H-beam rods for the QV, if anyone is adventurous..

They look legit. Their insta is a cool but I never a qv with their product
Is there any advantage to this if you’re only
Running a squadra massimo tune?
 
They look legit. Their insta is a cool but I never a qv with their product
Is there any advantage to this if you’re only
Running a squadra massimo tune?
$3,000 connecting rods are the kind of thing you buy when you're building the whole motor. The amount of work it is to remove this engine and take it apart and get these out, you'd want to be doing a lot more than just swapping rods.

Youd have to at least get these

 
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If there was actual Aftermarket rods that made a difference I would of used them between the 6-8th time I removed engine out of 10 times
Total. This engine is maxed out currently and there is no progress in site because there is no money in it.
 
If there was actual Aftermarket rods that made a difference I would of used them between the 6-8th time I removed engine out of 10 times
Total. This engine is maxed out currently and there is no progress in site because there is no money in it.
The platform is still relatively new, Alfa has never really been in the tuning scene historically, lot of people still on factory and extended warranties so not really tearing down their motors. What you really need is a bigger tuner like a Realstreet or AMS to go through the motor. Cept no one really building these cars for power. Bottom end is robust with sleeves from the factory and studs. Main problem i see spacing/plumbing for aftermarket turbos
 
The platform is still relatively new, Alfa has never really been in the tuning scene historically, lot of people still on factory and extended warranties so not really tearing down their motors. What you really need is a bigger tuner like a Realstreet or AMS to go through the motor. Cept no one really building these cars for power. Bottom end is robust with sleeves from the factory and studs. Main problem i see spacing/plumbing for aftermarket turbos
Too little too late. This would have had to happen about 2019-2020. It’s too late. Many QV owners have moved on to other brands. 3,000 total sold in US. In 8 years. Maybe 35% would do ecu tuning. Maybe 1% would upgrade turbos at $15k. I suspect less than 3-4 people total would do full rebuilds at a minimal cost of $25k-$30k It’s just not a good platform for big power. I threw a rod at just 640wtq. Exited the party. Turbo restrictions. Fuel issues up top. Full engine out just to swap turbos is a major hurdle most don’t want to address. Half QV owners scared to change belt out for $1500
 
Too little too late. This would have had to happen about 2019-2020. It’s too late. Many QV owners have moved on to other brands. 3,000 total sold in US. In 8 years. Maybe 35% would do ecu tuning. Maybe 1% would upgrade turbos at $15k. I suspect less than 3-4 people total would do full rebuilds at a minimal cost of $25k-$30k It’s just not a good platform for big power. I threw a rod at just 640wtq. Exited the party. Turbo restrictions. Fuel issues up top. Full engine out just to swap turbos is a major hurdle most don’t want to address. Half QV owners scared to change belt out for $1500
Also gotta add stelvio QV owners :) definitely much more than 3000 of them.. with AWD may be a better drag platform..also theres a lot more QVs in europe as well. not to mention and also Nettunos -- Grecales, GTs, MC20s...as the architecture is similar :) the market is there, but the appetite for a $5k set of rods with 625 bolts..probably not. Also demographic wise, not really into max power builds
 
also theres a lot more QVs in europe as well
Really? I’ve just spent the last 5 weeks travelling Italy, Austria, Prague, Netherlands and UK and to my disappointment, haven’t yet seen one…. In Australia I see at least one per day….
 
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Also gotta add stelvio QV owners :) definitely much more than 3000 of them.. with AWD may be a better drag platform..also theres a lot more QVs in europe as well. not to mention and also Nettunos -- Grecales, GTs, MC20s...as the architecture is similar :) the market is there, but the appetite for a $5k set of rods with 625 bolts..probably not. Also demographic wise, not really into max power builds
I’m sure @Giuliano would be happy to post the total US QV sales to date. SQV and GQV that total around 3,000 since 2016. The market is just not there unfortunately
 
I’m sure @Giuliano would be happy to post the total US QV sales to date. SQV and GQV that total around 3,000 since 2016. The market is just not there unfortunately
Giulia QV is 3k alone per the sticky, excluding 2024 sales which i think could be decent given its the last production run. I'd imagine stelvio QV to be near double that as Stelvio sells in greater numbers. Anyone know anyone that works at the Cassino plant? :)
 
Giulia QV is 3k alone per the sticky, excluding 2024 sales which i think could be decent given its the last production run. I'd imagine stelvio QV to be near double that as Stelvio sells in greater numbers. Anyone know anyone that works at the Cassino plant? :)
I would donate my QV to whistling diesel if there is 3k GQV and 6k SQV sold in US. The SQV sells at a lower rate like 5-1 of the Giulia
 
I would donate my QV to whistling diesel if there is 3k GQV and 6k SQV sold in US. The SQV sells at a lower rate like 5-1 of the Giulia
Now that QV production is ending, would be great if corporate could tell us the final global tally is. All I know in my own anecdotal experience is that I've seen more Stelvio QVs in the wild than Giulias and that the sporty SUV market is larger given more practical. I seem to see more Stelvio QVs in inventory than giulias also, though take it with a grain of salt.
 
They are extremely rare in Italy. Gas tax too expensive and they know it’s an Alfa
i found gas there to be only marginally more expensive than in canada. that spread used to be humongous...until of course the communists got a hold of us with the carbon taxes and all...now its not too far from Europe...about 5$ a gallon here if not more..while its 6.5 or so per gallon in Italy
 
They are extremely rare in Italy. Gas tax too expensive and they know it’s an Alfa
Just found @John4C 's post here

as of end of 2020 there were:
  • 9823 GQVs globally
  • 6120 SQV globally

so yes, you're right, there are less stelvios surprisingly, though I definitely see them more regularly in NY perhaps due to climate. So 16k total as of 12/31/20, add 2k over 4 yrs as a conservative estimate till end '24 and that'll put you at 18k total. Not terrible i guess, definitely more than CT4 blackwings
 
I’m sure @Giuliano would be happy to post the total US QV sales to date. SQV and GQV that total around 3,000 since 2016. The market is just not there unfortunately
This is the best information I was able to get. This is only Giulia QV and for the U.S. My source stopped sending me the information at the end of 2023 and he didn't want to share with me what was the 2024 data.

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I would assume that the Giulia QV sales in the U. S. for 2024 was about 250 cars. So, IMHO, the Giulia QV sold in the US is about 3,200 cars.
 
While Maserati claims the engine is 100% Maserati, there has been a ton of speculation otherwise, from the displacement to the fact its 90 degrees just like the F154 and 690T, and it has the same firing order. Visibly as well they sure do look pretty similar.

It's likely a combo of some slight internal changes and tuning.
100% badge engineering, Elkann is the pupil of Marchionne after all.
 
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