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I believe the reason ZF and many others manufacturers using synthetic blend fluid is about keeping as low as possible the viscosity of the fluid for better fuel efficiency required by the government, no one cares about protection here, not the manufacturer not the dealership not the government, it’s only you. ((why they would care anyway? They are running businesses and their business is selling, if the transmission and your vehicle last 500k+ miles they will run out of business)) like I said they care the most for fuel efficiency and to cover the warranty for few years, after that? Buy another vehicle another transmission to keep their business running.
Let’s checking the fluids specs, Synthetic blend ZF lifeguard has kinematic viscosity @ 40°c = 26, (my Mazda FZ fluid 25), full synthetic maxlife (25% synthetic) = 28.8 and High End Amsoil 100% synthetic ( I don’t believe in 100% should be around 50%) and Redline that probably have higher synthetic percentages in their fluid = 31, so the numbers itself are telling the truth here, higher synthetic the fluid? more thicker is and better the performance and protection are, probably less fuel efficient but me personally i dont care. I would run Amsoil or Redline in high mileage vehicle like 150k+
So in my opinion OEM synthetic blend fluid is just fine for brake in first 5k to 10k max 20k miles, after that i will change the filter cause there are lot of brake in metals, the fluid and I will do the upgrade to full synthetic like Valvoline in my case every 4 years or 40k miles drain and fill only no filter replacement needed all brake in metals are already out with the first filter, and in higher mileage like 130k+ I will change the filter again and upgrade to thicker fluid Amsoil or Redline.

my questions and worries about oem fluid are….
What’s going on in high temperatures?
Will perform bad as we saw in the cold flow test video? Cause the vehicles are dealing the most with high temperatures over time, low temperatures are rare especially in my area.
The OEM blended ZF fluid would mostly allow the transmission to run reliably just over 150k miles before needing to be replaced under normal driving conditions, hence why the automaker probably did not feel that they needed to use a full synthetic transmission fluid. Overkill for the application I guess and to not make the transmission"too" reliable.:)

I have had nothing but great results from using Valvoline Max Life transmission fluid in my Lexus and Toyota cars with high mileage. My current 2015 Lexus RX350 AWD original transmission with 180k miles shift like it is brand new after just one Valvoline Max Life fluid change. Before the fluid change it had some clunkly performance at times.

I will also use Valvoline Max life transmission in my 2020 Giulia if it is rated to be used in the ZF transmission in my car.
 
I am new to the Giulia platform, but the owners manual does not state that we can use a 5w-30 weight oil in the 2.0T engine. From what I understand the multi-air solenoid system in our 2.0T engine is very sensitive to oil weight and oil purity which can foul up the system or reduce it performance if the oil is dirty or has the improper viscosity.

I personally would not use the 5w-30 weight of oil in my 2.0T engine, but I also could be wrong about the acceptable oil weights for the engine since I am new to the Alfa platform. However, I have owned,serviced , and repaired many different Euro, Asian, and American car engines over the years. One important lesson I have learned that applies to all engines for long term reliability is to use the oil weight specified in the manuals or updated TSB if a change occurred.

Just my two cents.:)
Do what manufacturers say.
Me personally when it comes to any fluid or oil I don’t care cause I do not trust they always care about requirements keeping viscosity of oil or fluid as low as possible for better fuel efficiency that is required by government so I always use thicker and better quality fluids or oil of what they recommend. Next oil change will be 5w30 and next next 0w40, I’ll do oil analysis for any oil change and I’ll stay with the best results, that’s what I trust.
 
Discussion starter · #44 ·
The government talk is hilarious. We've been using 30 weight oils for literally decades. 😂
 
The government talk is hilarious. We've been using 30 weight oils for literally decades. 😂
Yep, that’s how things working out there, it’s all about requirements and standards no one really cares about protection, but why they should care anyway they running businesses manufactures dealerships and including government as well it’s all about selling selling selling. That’s why I always say if you want the best protection for your vehicle? remember only you can do it, no one out there will do it for you so be smart and keep your vehicle running not their businesses.
 
Discussion starter · #46 ·
Updated the part number for the Jeep steel transmission pans, the current part number is 68362041AC. The gasket was revised and the screws are now separate, but it does still include the pan, filter, and magnets in one part number.

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Updated the part number for the Jeep steel transmission pans, the current part number is 68362041AC. The gasket was revised and the screws are now separate, but it does still include the pan, filter, and magnets in one part number.

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I’ve installed a metallic pan from bmw-m, just need to change the gasket now
 
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I’ve installed a metallic pan from bmw-m, just need to change the gasket now
I assume this one? BMW GA8HP75 GAHP76 Auto Trans Oil Pan and Filter Kit - Genuine BMW 24119503407

The fins on that look like they hang fairly low to me, but yeah it's the same idea as the Jeep pans. I just buy a filter and a gasket now rather than the entire pan.

There's all sorts of cheap aftermarket plastic pans, yes. Based on the reviews they tend to get (they leak) I wouldn't touch them. Buy once cry once.

A real ZF part is $72. BMW GA8HP45Z GA8HP70Z Oil Pan and Filter Kit - ZF 24115A13115
 
I assume this one? BMW GA8HP75 GAHP76 Auto Trans Oil Pan and Filter Kit - Genuine BMW 24119503407

The fins on that look like they hang fairly low to me, but yeah it's the same idea as the Jeep pans. I just buy a filter and a gasket now rather than the entire pan.


There's all sorts of cheap aftermarket plastic pans, yes. Based on the reviews they tend to get (they leak) I wouldn't touch them. Buy once cry once.

A real ZF part is $72. BMW GA8HP45Z GA8HP70Z Oil Pan and Filter Kit - ZF 24115A13115
Me personally I got this from Amazon 100$
First one had crack shipping damage and leaking I returned and the second one was just fine.


URO Parts 24118612901PRM Transmission Oil Pan & Filter Kit, Aluminum Construction with Replaceable Filter, Bolts not Included
https://a.co/d/ird3wcU
 
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Me personally I got this from Amazon 100$
First one had crack shipping damage and leaking I returned and the second one was just fine.


URO Parts 24118612901PRM Transmission Oil Pan & Filter Kit, Aluminum Construction with Replaceable Filter, Bolts not Included
https://a.co/d/ird3wcU
If shipping can cause it to leak I'd hate to see what a bouncing piece of gravel can do to it.
 
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I just guess cause packing was terrible there was nothing about protection but may not be shipping damage, all these stuff coming from China manufacturing issue.
The Jeep transmission pans are made in USA and cost only $20 more, and the filters and gaskets are basically guaranteed to be made/available forever.
 
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Yep, exactly. So the Jeep's pan also made of metal just has less active cooling ribs?
Yeah, specifically it's steel. Meant to withstand scrapes and impacts better, doesn't really do much for cooling like the BMW pan you mentioned although obviously it is better than plastic in that regard.

I will have to add that BMW one to the post, more options is always good and I like OEM parts, they just seem to have less issues. They have to build a car with it after all. If you get a picture of it installed I'd love to see it!
 
Yeah, specifically it's steel. Meant to withstand scrapes and impacts better, doesn't really do much for cooling like the BMW pan you mentioned although obviously it is better than plastic in that regard.

I will have to add that BMW one to the post, more options is always good and I like OEM parts, they just seem to have less issues. They have to build a car with it after all. If you get a picture of it installed I'd love to see it!
the only pic I have is next ha-ha
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the Giulia is my summer car and it's sleeping now)) But I'll send you some pics while the pre-season maintenances procedures going on in a few months later, if I shall not be in a frontline :rolleyes:
 
Updated the part number for the Jeep steel transmission pans, the current part number is 68362041AC. The gasket was revised and the screws are now separate, but it does still include the pan, filter, and magnets in one part number.
Do you happen to have the part number for the screws? I’m having difficulty finding them online.


the Giulia is my summer car and it's sleeping now)) But I'll send you some pics while the pre-season maintenances procedures going on in a few months later, if I shall not be in a frontline :rolleyes:
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Do you happen to have the part number for the screws? I’m having difficulty finding them online.
RockAuto has them under REIN HWK0068 for a full set, otherwise Mopar 68174574AB should be a full set as well. Otherwise feel free to just re-use them.
 
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