[maddmike]

Logic is not my strong suit...Connecting dots is.....from where I stand, VW is the parent company and Audi and Porsche are their offspring...sharing engines, technology (virtual cockpit is now available in VW products, heck the Cayenne was a completely rebadged Toureg), I'm sure a number of parts can be cross referenced...ergo, the Audi is VW's attempt to go upstream..whereas the Giulia Q 4 Ti is based on a car that is quite a bit upstream already....

I really don't understand why this point is so hard to get across....

The Porsche / VW relationship is a little more complicated than that with Porsche almost owning VW if it was not for the liquidity crisis of 2008.


https://www.automobilemag.com/news/porsche-and-volkswagen-what-happened/

 

[jonatanpadan]

Did this help you decide? /forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Lol... Definitely very interesting discussion, I decided on the Alfa Ti Sport but now i'm trying to decide which exact one I want. ?

 

[Alfaholico]

The Porsche / VW relationship is a little more complicated than that with Porsche almost owning VW if it was not for the liquidity crisis of 2008.


https://www.automobilemag.com/news/porsche-and-volkswagen-what-happened/

True that....Without fail, businesses evolve over time....for the most part my comments are directed towards heritage and history....

 

[maddmike]

True that....Without fail, businesses evolve over time....for the most part my comments are directed towards heritage and history....

Fair enough. Although if you go way back Porsche (the Nazi) designed the original VW Beetle so you could still argue that Porsche came first.

 

[Alfaholico]

Fair enough. Although if you go way back Porsche (the Nazi) designed the original VW Beetle so you could still argue that Porsche came first.

True that again, however, Porsche the brand was not in existance then...But the Nazi was !
Probably the main reason for my disdain of the Marque...

 

[Alfaholico]

....and we all know where the 911 came from ....the vaunted Beetle.....

and it was a clear rip off of the Giulietta Sprint Zagato.....

 

[maddmike]

....and we all know where the 911 came from ....the vaunted Beetle.....

and it was a clear rip off of the Giulietta Sprint Zagato.....

Well, it didn't exactly come from the Beetle rather they both had the same designer.

 

[maddmike]

True that again, however, Porsche the brand was not in existance then...But the Nazi was !
Probably the main reason for my disdain of the Marque...

That is a bit of a stretch and if we are going to go there, add these brands to the list of brands that you disdain due to their Nazi collaboration:
IBM
Coca-Cola
Ford
Hugo Boss
Associated Press
Kodak
Bayer etc.

 

[4Foglio]

It's pretty bad when the first thing I notice in that photo is the huge wheel arch....

The first thing I did was to identify the wheel...

Then I noticed how skinny the legs are. Funny being married to a bodybuilder/powerlifter/beef bunny... LOL!

 

[Alfaholico]

That is a bit of a stretch and if we are going to go there, add these brands to the list of brands that you disdain due to their Nazi collaboration:
IBM
Coca-Cola
Ford
Hugo Boss
Associated Press
Kodak
Bayer etc.

You forgot Siemens.......

 

[beaups]

You forgot Siemens.......

Oh crap, there goes my ECMs, airbag controller, parking control system, and probably several other models. I wonder how my car will run after they're removed :smile2:

 

[devsalvi]

Awesome! Hope you find your perfect Giulia.

Cheers!

Did this help you decide? /forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Lol... Definitely very interesting discussion, I decided on the Alfa Ti Sport but now i'm trying to decide which exact one I want. ?

 

[maddmike]

You forgot Siemens.......

True. Not a comprehensive list thus the etc. A company I worked for was recently bought by Siemens. Those Nazis!

 

[wingler]

True. Not a comprehensive list thus the etc. A company I worked for was recently bought by Siemens. Those Nazis!

Inappropriate!

 

[Lowflyer]

Has anybody checked into Alfa’s part of history when being owned and ran by fascist state and fascists for quite some time?

Maybe better not...it has been 75 years since then.....it could lead to another 20 pages of passionate yet blindly uninformed blathering?

I will get my coat...hey stop pushing me/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

[4Foglio]

Is this a variation of Godwin's law?

 

[Alfaholico]

We used to hold club meetings in the office of one of our club's board of directors....he had a large conference room....and on the back of the door was a poster of Benito...One BOD member asked astonishingly when he first saw the poster, " Is that who I think it is?" ...to which he replied..."It ain't Tony Bennett !"

 

[Alfaholico]

History shows that Mussolini saved Alfa Romeo, but he didn't create the brand....A bit of a difference when compared to Mr Porsche...

 

[photoman]

Bear in mind this is from the UK............in an average week I see one Giulia and hundreds of A4's. Enough said :wink2:

 

[Jonathon Lall]

I chose to lease the Giulia over a lease-buyout of my mom's 2016 Misano Red over Black A4 S-Line (only had 12k miles in 3 years!!) because the Audi was relatively uninspiring to drive, and the depreciation was sure to have me upside down on it within 2 years. 3 months in and I'm still 100% sure I made the right choice.