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I bet that owners of Audis with 2.0L and 3.0L diesels wish they had less in common with VW!
Blessed are the "uninformed" !!!
 
Well, if the source comes from the Alfa, then the Charger will be the underling....
Get it ?
Ok by that same logic, the A4 chassis MLB platform came from Audi, and the 2.0T EA888 engine is an Audi designed unit used by VW, so how is the A4 and then used by other VW cars, how is it a guissed up VW?
 
Logic is not my strong suit...Connecting dots is.....from where I stand, VW is the parent company and Audi and Porsche are their offspring...sharing engines, technology (virtual cockpit is now available in VW products, heck the Cayenne was a completely rebadged Toureg), I'm sure a number of parts can be cross referenced...ergo, the Audi is VW's attempt to go upstream..whereas the Giulia Q 4 Ti is based on a car that is quite a bit upstream already....

I really don't understand why this point is so hard to get across....
 
Ok then, FCA is the parent company and Ferrari, Maserati, and Alfa Romeo are their offspring...sharing engines, technology...
Well, that's not the true legacy though....I'm sure you know that Alfa spawned Ferrari and Maserati was an independant company created by the Maserati brothers.....This is true legacy and history.....

On the other hand, VW spawned Porsche and purchased Auto Union (forerunner of Audi)...This is true legacy and history....

If we want to speak in truth, this is the undeniable truth....
 
Let's not forget FCA = fiat Chrysler. So we have gussied up Fiats or Chryslers. Take your pick! Oh my....
So let's critically analyze this statement.....FIAT, which by the time Marchionne purchased Chrysler, was in control of Ferrari, Maserati, Lancia, and FIAT, found Chrysler to be desireable because it provided instant brick and mortar for FIAT SpA....Dealers, Production Facilities.... an instant presence in North America that they could obtain for a song, and the rights to JEEP !! So, due to the crisis that was present in the US for the big 3, Chrysler was the most strategic for FIAT SpA....Cheapest to obtain, nationwide dealer network, and the potential to profit from the very popular JEEP brand....The outcome of this acquisition?
FCA (the new conglomerate name, not a conglomerate from 100 years ago), invested heavily and reaped the rewards of profit from innovation in stale Chrysler products and advancing the JEEP brand. So, if anything, FCA (or shall we say FIAT SpA), was guiding the newly acquired offspring of JEEP / CHRYSLER. Does this acquisition change 100 years of history ? Is there any part sharing between our Giulias and a Chrysler product (and I'm not counting window switchgear here, we're talking about significant engineering points)? The point, which I just can't seem to get across, is that Audi is an upwardly mobile VW......The Giulia Q 4 Ti Sport is reaching up and has a design that is influenced in thought, engineering, and philosophy with a very upscale design......
 
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Bottom line -- I dropped $50k on a car 18 months ago, and it doesn't have four interlocking rings on it, it has St. George's cross and a biscione.

its not a St George cross btw, it is the Flag Of Milan derived from the Flag Of Genoa, and attributed to St Ambrose- the English adopted the Flag of Genoa in the 11th century to allow their ships to enter the Mediterranean and on to Genoa - it has been in use as the Flag Of Milan since the 10th century


the Duke of Kent in 1992: "The St. George's flag, a red cross on a white field, was adopted by England and the City of London in 1190 for their ships entering the Mediterranean to benefit from the protection of the Genoese fleet. The English Monarch paid an annual tribute to the Doge of Genoa for this privilege."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Milan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoa#Flag

the St George cross was attributed to the Crusades and came later in the 13th century, the English entries in the Wiki article also acknowledge it to be a different cross

The red-on-white cross used extensively across Northern Italy as the symbol of Bologna, Padua, Genoa, Reggio Emilia, Mantua, Vercelli, Alessandria, is instead derived from an older flag, called the "Cross of Saint Ambrose", adopted by the Commune of Milan in 1045.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George's_Cross

we had an extensive discussion about the Alfa Romeo emblem some time ago - suffice to say it has a lot more tradition and Italian roots than an incomplete set of olympic rings
but i know what you meant ...




:)
 
...an incomplete set of olympic rings
but i know what you meant ...
:)
Hey, HEY!! Those rings are the four companies that joined to make Auto Union ... nothing to do with a sorry band of track-meet organizers.

Yes, the flag of Milan, thanks for the history lesson that this red-on-white cross is different from the St. George's red-on-white cross -- I learned something today, so it's not been a waste!

And we all know "audi" is a play on the founder's name, right?
 
Very interesting discussion.

I think it's well known the Giulia was designed by a skunkwerks team of Ferrari engineers. There is no lower model that influenced it.

I don't know the history of the a4, but the goal of the car is luxury, tech and practicality. So it wouldn't really matter if it shared some key engineering parts that affect performance with vw. The car really has a different customer in mind.
 
Forza alfa baby !! >:)
 
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