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Giulia vs A4

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#1 ·
Good morning,
Sooo. The amazing dealer by where I live gave me the Alfa for a couple of hours to see how I feel about it.

I gotta tell you.... I'm torn.

The A4 is so quiet, so comfortable, so high techy. But the Alfa is so unique, so fun, sporty.

What do I do???

Opinions appreciated. ?
 
#90 ·
So, regardless of which way the engine is facing, isn't the 1.4 T and 2.0 T in both cars the same basic motor ?
 
#91 · (Edited)
" Beginning in 2012, Volkswagen Group marketed the strategy under the code name MQB, which stands for Modularer Querbaukasten, translating from German to "Modular Transversal Toolkit" or "Modular Transverse Matrix". MQB is one strategy within VW's overall MB (Modularer Baukasten or modular matrix) program which also includes the similar MLB strategy for vehicles with longitudinal engine orientation."

Further points to consider...

"The Volkswagen Group MLB platform is the company's platform strategy, announced in 2012, for shared modular construction of its longitudinal, front-engined automobiles.

It was developed by Audi and first introduced in 2007 on the Audi A5 then, chronologically, on the Audi A4, Audi Q5, Audi A8, Audi A7, Audi A6, Porsche Macan and the second generation Audi Q7 (MLBevo). Until 2015, only Audi and Porsche were using the MLB platform. In February 2016 Volkswagen introduced the MLB based Phideon luxury sedan built and sold uniquely in the Chinese market.

Volkswagen Group markets the strategy under the code name MLB, which stands for Modularer Längsbaukasten, translating from German to "Modular Longitudinal Matrix".MLB is one strategy within VW's overall MB (Modulare Baukasten or modular matrix) program which also includes the similar MQB strategy for its vehicles with transverse engine orientation.

While a model may be said to use an MLB platform, it is not so much a platform per se, but rather a system for introducing rationality across disparate platforms that share engine orientation — regardless of model, vehicle size or brand. Thus, MLB uses a core "matrix" of components across a wide variety of platforms — for example, sharing a common engine-mounting core for all drivetrains (e.g., gasoline, diesel, natural gas, hybrid and purely electric). The only things that are non-variable are the pedal box, firewall, and front wheel placement, as well as the windscreen angle; other than this, the vehicle can be stretched and shaped to fit any body style, size range, or drivetrain required. As well as reducing weight, the concept allows diverse models, including those from the company's various brands, to be manufactured at the same plant, further saving cost. Ulrich Hackenberg, former chief of Volkswagen’s Research and Development, called MB a "strategic weapon."

Jalopnik said "the biggest feature is the uniform position of all motors and transmissions" and that "by fitting all motors into the same place (the company) hope(s) to cut down on engineering costs and weight/complexity when porting the car over to other models."The British magazine, Car, said "the idea heralds a return to basic principles of mass production in an industry where over the last 100 years, complexity has spiralled out of control. By creating a standardised, interchangeable set of parts from which to build a variety of cars, (the company) plans to cut the time taken to build a car by 30%."

So, much like the "Giorgio" platform or Volvo's "Scalable Product Architecture" platform, these platforms are basically analogous but can be modified (scalable) to be somewhat "unique" (although they are really basically the same)....

To my point that Audi + Porsche = Glorified VW

Alfa = Ferrari .....

The true legacy cannot be denied.....and so, while an A 4's engine is facing one way in its MLB chassis and the VW Passat has it facing another way in its MQB chassis, and that engine is pretty much the same engine......You're telling me to believe they are different.....Hmmm, I'll pass on that Kool Aid and stay "uninformed".....
 
#95 ·
Wow...I'll try again...so basically we're talking about "modular platforms" ...chassis that can be modified to fit all sorts of vehicles....Like Giorgio , Like Volvo Scalable, etc...

My point is that despite the fact that VW calls it "X" and Audi calls it "Y" it is essentially the same (basically) save for the difference that the VW's engine (same basic engine as Audi) is facing sideways, and Audi's engine (same basic engine as VW) is facing forward....

So for all intents and purposes, are these not basically the same ?

Reminds me of the day that Caddy got in trouble for selling Oldsmobile engines....

PS - my "Get it" was more rhetorical than patronizing...."Get it" ?

Yours was a bit patronizing....but I'm cool with that...just don't pass the Kool Aid
 
#97 ·
Are you all aware the Giulietta was the progenitor of the Dodge Dart, Jeep Cherokee, and Chrysler 200? And it has outlived two of them.
 
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#98 ·
"Engine orientation is a pretty big deal." True that, but isn't "engine" even a bigger deal ?

I mean if they're sharing the same "heart", how can they be so different ???
 
#104 · (Edited)
Logic is not my strong suit...Connecting dots is.....from where I stand, VW is the parent company and Audi and Porsche are their offspring...sharing engines, technology (virtual cockpit is now available in VW products, heck the Cayenne was a completely rebadged Toureg), I'm sure a number of parts can be cross referenced...ergo, the Audi is VW's attempt to go upstream..whereas the Giulia Q 4 Ti is based on a car that is quite a bit upstream already....

I really don't understand why this point is so hard to get across....
 
#116 ·
Very interesting discussion.

I think it's well known the Giulia was designed by a skunkwerks team of Ferrari engineers. There is no lower model that influenced it.

I don't know the history of the a4, but the goal of the car is luxury, tech and practicality. So it wouldn't really matter if it shared some key engineering parts that affect performance with vw. The car really has a different customer in mind.
 
#126 ·
....and we all know where the 911 came from ....the vaunted Beetle.....

and it was a clear rip off of the Giulietta Sprint Zagato.....
 

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#135 ·
Has anybody checked into Alfa’s part of history when being owned and ran by fascist state and fascists for quite some time?

Maybe better not...it has been 75 years since then.....it could lead to another 20 pages of passionate yet blindly uninformed blathering?

I will get my coat...hey stop pushing me/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif
 
#141 ·
Has anybody checked into Alfa’s part of history when being owned and ran by fascist state and fascists for quite some time?

Maybe better not...it has been 75 years since then.....it could lead to another 20 pages of passionate yet blindly uninformed blathering?

The whole point of the "uninformed blathering" was that poo-pooing Porsche and VW for having a historical Nazi connection was ridiculous as most companies have sh*t in their history including may cherished American brands.



The object of making such a point was to buy a car based on its merits and perceived value to its owner and not something that some old dead guy did 50 years ago.


You forgot your coat.
 
#137 ·
We used to hold club meetings in the office of one of our club's board of directors....he had a large conference room....and on the back of the door was a poster of Benito...One BOD member asked astonishingly when he first saw the poster, " Is that who I think it is?" ...to which he replied..."It ain't Tony Bennett !"
 
#138 ·
History shows that Mussolini saved Alfa Romeo, but he didn't create the brand....A bit of a difference when compared to Mr Porsche...
 
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#140 ·
I chose to lease the Giulia over a lease-buyout of my mom's 2016 Misano Red over Black A4 S-Line (only had 12k miles in 3 years!!) because the Audi was relatively uninspiring to drive, and the depreciation was sure to have me upside down on it within 2 years. 3 months in and I'm still 100% sure I made the right choice.