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Antigravity battery will not function in Minnesota weather. The battery is permanently damaged by charging below +20F or so and is really marginal for starting the car at 0F.
AGM adds about 5-10 pounds <sigh>.

What is wrong with the OEM remote start function? It has a pretty large range (400 feet?).
Remote starting a car that is out of sight is dangerous.
 
This is the best battery for giulia IMO. 36 month warranty and lighter than factory.
IIRC, at 51.8 pounds it is about 6 pounds heavier than the factory battery. AH rating and chemistry pretty much dictate the weight of a lead-acid battery. AGM is intrinsically heavier than flooded cell.

Trojan makes batteries with more weight per size than the other mfgs. However, most of their batteries are intended for stationary deep cycle use (they are very popular with the off-grid energy crowd) and may not deal well with high g forces and such.

Blackvue sells an auxiliary battery system that allows an accessory to use a separate battery so that the starting battery does not get discharged by said accessory. It is intended to run a dashcam while the car is parked but might work for this application as well. I don't think it will let your remote starter run for a long time, but at least it will prevent your remote starter from killing the car.

OT, but I recently acquired a replacement battery door off of a wreck for my Giulia. My old door was severely warped (about 3/4 inch bow in the middle). So far the replacement is pancake flat. Has anyone else had an experience like this?
 
we may be talking two different battery sizes for 2.0 and QV. Idk if they are the same for both models. but the interstate that I posted is way smaller and lighter than the OEM in QV. I know when I swapped them. There was a considerable difference.
My mistake, as my records say that the stock high capacity Varta (I believe that is the European brand name for Johnson Controls) weighs 54 pounds, not the 45 pounds that I was remembering.
Interstate says that the H7 battery is 80AH, which would make it worse than the OEM battery for the purpose described by @rumifaizer .
Note that there are 2 different OEM batteries, depending on if you have the winter package or not (I think). IIRC one is 85AH while the other is 95AH.

Too bad LiFePO4 battery manufacturers have not yet gotten serious about making their batteries into a proper replacement for lead-acid. In particular they lack a pre-heat function (improves CCA) for starting and also lack the ability to divert charge current to a heating element when the battery core is too cold to take a charge without damage. LiFePO4 will only work reliably if you never park anywhere that goes below freezing. A 110AH LiFePO4 battery plus electronics weighs about 30 pounds and except for the temperature range issue would be a great solution to the originally described problem.

I believe that the Lithium-Cobalt batteries found in BEVs are even more sensitive to low temperature, but that (most?) BEV manufacturers have incorporated thermal management into their designs.

Note that deep cycle lead acid batteries should not be discharged below 50% of capacity and starter lead-acid batteries are even less tolerant of significant discharge. Such discharging will not cause an immediate failure, but will substantially shorten the usable life of the battery. In comparison (most?) Lithium batteries can be discharged to 10% of capacity remaining without loss of life expectancy, altering the meaning of the AH rating of the battery relative to real use.

Also checking, Trojan batteries now have new and improved deep cycle chemistry/internals that unfortunately is incompatible with using the batteries for starting, so they are a no-go for Giulia <sigh>. They have managed 10 more AH for a group 27 battery compared to their previous technology (which was already 10ah higher than the competition), plus improved life expectancy after deep discharges. Note that there is no magic AH chemistry here: their batteries are markedly heavier than the competition's same-size batteries (more lead, less dead space?).
 
just use the AGM setting on your charger. I pre-charged my new H8 battery before installation. No issues with charging in place, too.

Like you, I use the charging positive connection by the passenger wiper under the hood, under a little hinged hatch to charge, instead of the terminals on the actual battery in the trunk (2 in diag. below):

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Strange diagram, where did it come from? It shows the positive cable starting from the location of the negative battery pole. Also on my Q4 the under hood battery lug is at the cowl not along the front cross brace as in the above diagram. Where is it on a QV?

FWIW: I bought the Alfa branded CTEK charger and installed the hard wire harness to the battery. Too bad Alfa couldn't have been bothered with an Alfa Giulia specific harness.