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Alfissimo "GTA" Performance Springs for Giulia QV

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#1 · (Edited)
This is a little premature but I wanted to let everyone know that I am producing "GTA" springs for the QV.

I do not have full details at this time but can say they are similar rates as the GTA springs. We only wanted around a 10mm lowering only. 10mm lower than original 2017 QV springs.

The GTA Suspension software is really a must with these and will be sold in 2 packages. One with the Software and one without. "D" version CDCM is required for GTA software and CORE.

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They are made in Italy and will come most likely in powder coat red. Currently prototypes are being produced as we speak. I should have them ready to install on our test vehicle in about a month.

2.0L Alfissimo Springs shown.

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Tentative date for availability to order is June. EDIT: due to materials shortage we had to push this to August/Sept for ordering.

Updates will be added here and Facebook as data comes in.

First batch will be available in Black. Next batch will be Red.
 
#46 · (Edited)
Alfissimo's "GTAm" springs Installed with caster/camber kit set at -2.5 Camber and GTAm CDCM software.

Exactly where we wanted the car to sit. Nearly 10mm lower than 17's springs with more rate than ST Springs or others. Testing next week at Sonoma Raceway. This raised the front by 4mm over ST and the rear is close the the same as ST, we still have a good rake on the car as it should.

More info coming after some testing. We should have them finalized by end of August and ready for production by Sept/Oct.

Made in Italy.

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#47 ·
Alfissimo's "GTAm" springs Installed with the GMS caster/camber kit set at -2.5 Camber and GTAm CDCM software.

Absolutely exactly where we wanted the car to sit. Nearly 10mm lower than 17's springs with more rate than ST Springs or others. Testing next week at Laguna Seca. This raised the front by 4mm over ST and the rear is close the the same as ST, we still have a good rake on the car as it should.

More info coming after some testing. We should have them finalized by end of August and ready for production by Sept/Oct.

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#49 · (Edited)
Decent testing today...

All modes are much tighter but still compliant enough to be very comfortable. A,N modes are not as floaty, way more sporty but comfortable as they should be in those modes. D is maintaining, you are able to feel the road a bit more but it's not too aggressive that it's uncomfortable. Race mode is fantastic. Over imperfections it maintains it's direction with minimal to no bump steer. I'd say it this point we pretty much nailed it. Could we up the rates, yes. The problem with this is that the shocks in the lower modes might lose their characteristic. These springs match the GTAm Suspension software perfectly and the Standard QV software.

Handling is superb. There is no more bounce, very little to no bump steer and overall the car feels extremely planted and ready for the track or a comfortable cruise.

Rates are roughly 15% higher than ST springs. Front end is at the proper height. All in all it's where we want it both in height and performance. I think the shocks can handle more spring rate as mentioned but I believe there will be a loss to the function of the other modes. The A, N mode will ride too firm as the shock will end up being too soft for the spring rates. This is most likely a keeper and once the track session is done on August 11th, we will most likely go into production sometime in Mid Sept.

Here are some more shots of the car and where front and rear sit heightwise.

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#51 · (Edited)
I understand. Stock 2017 springs are 26.1/2" (673.1mm/67.31cm) front. +/- depending on tire wear, front ground to fender measurement.

With our springs we are at 26 1/8" (663.57mm/66.35cm)

A drop from stock of 9.53mm All four corners. ;) As mentioned, 10mm was the goal. I am ok with this. Ride quality is superb. Handling is much better. GMS kit of course helps with -2.5 camber. ST claims 20mm lowering front and rear. Others are around 30mm.
 
#52 · (Edited)
I will put these into production in September.

I do not think we will adjust these any further. I feel the Height is perfect at -9.53mm lower than stock 17' height. The spring rates are right on.

I do not want to ruin the character of the car. I want Race-mode to be race-mode with a bit more steroids but I want to retain the purpose of the other modes which is sporty to comfort.

These springs are much more refined than the ST springs which again are too soft, too low in front and bouncy.

I have decided to powder coat them in RED. I know some of you wanted them black but I will offer powdercoating in black as an added option. I either have to do one color of the other, Red fits better for this application.

Pre-ordering will start Monday August 29
 
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I have to say that you NAILED the ride height. Now develop these for the non-adaptive suspension 2.0 Q4 / Q2. What shocks to use though? :D
 
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#88 · (Edited)
Does anyone know if the Giulia gta have exactly the same rear spings with the gtam?I know they have the same front.
I enquired to an alfa shop here is UK and apparently the Gtam has different rear spings to the the gta ?
Gtam rear spings part number is 50564069 and gta is 50567752 .What are the differences?:unsure:
The part numbers I can see on @Alfissimo website as oem factory alfa gtam springs matching the gta oem spings part number not the gtam(?).
If gta and gtam springs have different rear springs do they have different chassis control module software as well?
I am a bit confused.
 
#93 · (Edited)
The Front Springs are the same for the GTA/m. The rear's that I offer are for the GTA which makes more sense for those that want to fit to the QV. I would not offer the GTAm rear as even if the customer lightened up the car, they are better off with the slightly higher rate GTA rear spring. To simplify I call them the GTAm springs as they will be an improvement over the stock anyway, so they fit all cars, QV, GTA and GTAm. In-fact they are headed out to a GTAm customer as soon as they land from Italy.

THEY have the same software, same shocks too.

I have done my homework. ;)

GTA/m springs are still too soft and that is why we opted to make our own.
 
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Here's the official video for the testing of these springs we did. Created a separate thread for it.

 
#94 ·
Hello, I have some questions about springs:

I buy and install new Eibach pro kit springs for giulia quadrifoglio, and after 3 month of use and about 1500 km I have different hight between front left and right side about 1-1,5cm
(My friends tell me about my weight :) - but I think 100kg is no problem to this car

How about your springs ?

do you compare your springs and Eibach kit ?
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#102 ·
First Springs installed.

" I swapped out the ST springs on my 2018 for your GTAm springs. It’s a little taller which I wanted. It rides soooooo much better. Only drove it to alignment and back but I’m loving it. No more front bounce. I’ll push it a little harder this weekend."


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#105 ·
Got the springs installed this week, so here is a quick review.

I already have GTA CDCM, and these springs work extremely well with it. I was afraid there will be some bounciness or that this setup will be too stiff for daily use, but it certainly is not. The ride is indeed tight, very well damped and exceptionally composed - just as it should be. Those loving the OEM comfort (OEM springs and standard QV CDCM), should probably avoid it, but those looking for the bast driving experience while still having a daily drivable supersaloon, absolutely go for it.

ST Springs comparison: They are are indeed stiffer, but it is not as noticable as I was afraid it would be. What surprised me a lot is that although Alfissimo GTA springs are harder, they are also smoother in its behavior. The best thing however is that front end looks correct height now, or almost correct - raising the front for another 5mm would give it even better looks, as the distance between the tyre and wheel arch would be equal along the curve.

Use together with QV CDCM: I would not do it, even if I haven't tried this combo, but I have a feeling that standard damping software would not be enough to keep up with that much stiffer than OEM springs.

TUV: Here I would just advice Alfissimo to mentioned that he decided againt his initial promise that these springs will come with TUV certificate.



Quick reveiw of my previous setups:

OEM: Stiffer than standard Giulias, but still very comfortable, maybe a bit to comfortable for a 500+hp supersaloon.

ST Springs + QV CDCM: Stiffer springs improve the driving a lot, with less body role, less diving under braking, etc... however with QV CDCM when in D or Race mode, experience can be too bouncy.

ST Springs + GTA CDCM: Huge improvement, worked really good with those springs, floaty rear end is almost entirely eliminated, but the issue of the front end looking too low (slammed) and the fact that these springs might still be a tad bit too soft for how short they are remains. However, if you already have ST Springs, you absolutely should pair them with a GTA CDCM.
 
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Got the springs installed this week, so here is a quick review.

I already have GTA CDCM, and these springs work extremely well with it. I was afraid there will be some bounciness or that this setup will be too stiff for daily use, but it certainly is not. The ride is indeed tight, very well damped and exceptionally composed - just as it should be. Those loving the OEM comfort (OEM springs and standard QV CDCM), should probably avoid it, but those looking for the bast driving experience while still having a daily drivable supersaloon, absolutely go for it.

ST Springs comparison: They are are indeed stiffer, but it is not as noticable as I was afraid it would be. What surprised me a lot is that although Alfissimo GTA springs are harder, they are also smoother in its behavior. The best thing however is that front end looks correct height now, or almost correct - raising the front for another 5mm would give it even better looks, as the distance between the tyre and wheel arch would be equal along the curve.

Use together with QV CDCM: I would not do it, even if I haven't tried this combo, but I have a feeling that standard damping software would not be enough to keep up with that much stiffer than OEM springs.

TUV: Here I would just advice Alfissimo to mentioned that he decided againt his initial promise that these springs will come with TUV certificate.



Quick reveiw of my previous setups:

OEM: Stiffer than standard Giulias, but still very comfortable, maybe a bit to comfortable for a 500+hp supersaloon.

ST Springs + QV CDCM: Stiffer springs improve the driving a lot, with less body role, less diving under braking, etc... however with QV CDCM when in D or Race mode, experience can be too bouncy.

ST Springs + GTA CDCM: Huge improvement, worked really good with those springs, floaty rear end is almost entirely eliminated, but the issue of the front end looking too low (slammed) and the fact that these springs might still be a tad bit too soft for how short they are remains. However, if you already have ST Springs, you absolutely should pair them with a GTA CDCM.

Thanks for the review.

TUV: Here I would just advice Alfissimo to mentioned that he decided againt his initial promise that these springs will come with TUV certificate.

Since we could not, I have removed that from the description weeks ago. Ended up being too expensive for the spring company to obtain for such a low volume spring. Unfortunately I also did not want to try to obtain it for the very very small market that requires TÜV. I was told they would but in the end it just did not work out. I did say we would get it, yes I did but that failed and I apologize that. Sometimes things don't go your way. All our other springs are TÜV though. 100%

That said, I am pleased you like the springs. The CDCM enhances them, stock CDCM is also very good with them. Keeps up just fine!