The new E-Segment SUV/GrandCoupe thingy. They haven't decided on the form, just bigger than Stelvio.

 

I believe they have decided. They are just not telling us...

 

18 minute recharge time 😂

 

Sad isn't it? I can refill a gasoline tank from empty to full in less than 5 min.

I guess the saving grace is that with an EV, most people will be able to plug in at home even if it's only slow charging. So needing a charging station should be a relatively rare occurrence, except on a long trip. And in that scenario, an 18 min bathroom + stretching + snacking break isn't so bad.

 

Another $150k Alfa. Should do well

 

My only hopes are that 1) the guy wakes up to reality, someday within the next 1.5 years. And that the wake up is not a hard-way wake up but more a realizing-the-mistake-I-made wake up. And 2) this 1000hp, >$120K car is only part of a 40% Alfa Romeo EV line up and not a 100% EV line up. We can save the planet with 40% EVs, 40% Hybrid (electric motor and ICEs) and 20% ICEs. And if we want to be even more savers, let's do sustainable fuels. The F1 will show the world in 2026 that it is possible.

 

Don't hold your breath on any of that happening any time soon, let alone by 2026. Reality is, sustainable fuel is really not closer to technical achievable and scalable, not to mention commercially feasible, than what the world is heading towards with EV.

 

When it comes to Alfa I'll believe it when I see it.

I'd imagine then the current crop of vehicles will continue lingering on as is until then. Who knows if come 2027 the brand is even viable in the North American market? The Giulia/Stelvio will be 10-11 years old by then and probably not selling at all. The Tonale seems mid-pack at best and will have its appeal devalued by its Dodge sibling. Alfa may pull out of the US market before the EV models launch.

 

You are most likely correct. I would assume the current Giulia/Stelvio continue as ICE until 2027. Soldiering on as is. Tonale is midpack for all PHEV, but not too bad for Premium PHEV. Dodge Hornet is what it is. I could see Alfa dealers all becoming joint Peugeot dealers, so that might help keep Alfa dealers afloat.

I think that was my point... If you don't have a Tesla good luck finding something to charge your car in 20 minutes. Might as well put you bank account all on red at the casino.

Depending on where you are it's not that bad. Tesla is the best, with over 1,400 supercharger locations (not stalls). Electrify America has 790+. The vast majority of travel routes are covered. I am sure there are dead zones, but the networks are only getting larger. You only use DC charging on trips.

But that goes back to my point. Unless you are on a long road trip, why wouldn't one charge their car at home overnight and therefore not need to find somewhere to charge for 20 minutes? Also, the non-Tesla charging stations are right now rightfully focusing on that "road trip infrastructure", not inner city charging stations.

Correct, most EV owners (with a home or work charger) charge on their off time. Overnight, or during work hours. DC fast charging is really only for trips. Local L2 charging is for people who can't do it at home/work, or for desperate situations. They are very slow. I used to plug in at the mall, it was free, really just to help advertise that people have EVs. Now Teslas are like Civics, so I don't bother (and the stalls are usually full haha).

 

CUVs as flagships are a sad reality.

 

Min charge times are under best case scenarios, which is difficult to achieve; and are rarely ever good for battery longevity, meaning a costly replacement will be needed sooner, and max capacity will also decrease sooner.

Additionally, not ever buyer will have a home, or a home with a garage to be able to charge. I'm lucky enough to live in NYC and have a house with a garage but most NYC owners don't. I don't know the latest cost, but about 7 years ago, the cost to park a car in my parents building on the UES was 600 a month for a regular car, or 1200 for a "premium" car, which I'm pretty sure they would clarify Alfa as. That's the monthly payment for an entire second car right there

 

Buy the rumor, sell the news… Alfa Romeo Model Years 24...

 

For context, this is from the U.S. E.P.A. website:

The Transportation sector includes the movement of people and goods by cars, trucks, trains, ships, airplanes, and other vehicles. The majority of greenhouse gas emissions from transportation are carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions resulting from the combustion of petroleum-based products, like gasoline and diesel fuel, in internal combustion engines. The largest sources of transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions include passenger cars, medium- and heavy-duty trucks, and light-duty trucks, including sport utility vehicles, pickup trucks, and minivans. These sources account for over half of the emissions from the transportation sector. The remaining greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector come from other modes of transportation, including commercial aircraft, ships, boats, and trains, as well as pipelines and lubricants.
Relatively small amounts of methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O) are emitted during fuel combustion. In addition, a small amount of hydrofluorocarbon (HFC) emissions are included in the Transportation sector. These emissions result from the use of mobile air conditioners and refrigerated transport.

(emphasis added)

 

a lot of YADDA YADDA from Corporate. I will believe it when I see it sitting in a showroom for sale.
Has the Tonale been released??? Haven't seen one here, only in Milano this past September.
I've seen and been in a Grecale however.....is Alfa going to get the short end of the Stellantis stick???

 

For context, I like this other one. Again, our cars is a fraction of the Transportation CO2 Emissions. Let's call it 50% if you want. So, the problem that our cars is causing is a 8% problem. I was quoting total 14% Transportation CO2 Emissions but it is really 16%. So, what about focusing on the 92% of the problem?. Or even the 80% of the problem?. Or actually, focusing on China CO2 emissions and then, India?. I see several other "single one cause" close to 8% too, BTW.

 

I'm glad you like this one. But here's my question - Why do people often use the argument that people should focusing on the other whatever category as if nobody is already doing it? Breaking news - Scientists in ALL areas are focusing on ALL sectors! This really isn't an either/or situation.

By the way, road transport (which is what we are really talking about here - the ICU vs electric for road transport propulsion. To only count passenger cars but not other ICU-based road transport is rather disingenuous. It IS the single largest category at nearly 12%. The next largest is residential buildings at 10.9%. So it's absolutely not a "leave me alone, look at others first" category. Or if you want to argue semantics, it's the single largest sub-category, with overall transport being the category.

"Focus on other categories and leave the ICU alone" is really a strawman argument.

 

I don't think infrastructure is going to be a big deal. I mean we literally had a single company like Tesla create and almost perfect infrastructure for their cars I'm pretty sure multiple infrastructure related companies can put charging stations in the right place.

I own some play around stock in Tritium (DCFC) chargers which just got a contract with British petroleum to put in charging stations at their gas stations and they've had a contract with Shell for I want to say a few years now so I don't think it's going to be a big leap to see that very fast, very efficient and very conveniently located fast chargers are going to be coming in the future.

We also saw EVs 10 years ago that took an hour to charge up to 80% and now the cheap Kia and Hyundai's are on 800 volt architecture and able to charge to 80% in 18 minutes. 10 years from now there is no reason that 9 minutes won't be the norm..

The biggest thing I'd like to see happen is battery technology getting cleaner like using solid state glass-based batteries. It doesn't make sense to me changing out one dirty operational technology to another dirty manufacturing technology.

 

Everyone is under estimating the big oil companies power and influence. It runs deep and pockets are deeper than any electric car start up blah blah. These are full govt powers with unlimited money and zero oversight since the state money is their own money. Oil companies will drop a bomb on EVs once they lose any traction. That bomb will be $1.79 gallon gas again and everyone will be sticking with ICE for another decade. Oil companies and the states that run them won’t go away easy

 

I like to think the EV industry is just one big red herring to get the oil companies to give us $0.99 fuel.

 

Hybrids should be the focus at the moment over the next 5-10 years. Want to buy a BEV today have at it, but it shouldn't be forced to the mainstream.

- current battery tech is not environmentally friendly. There are non lithium based solid state batteries on the relatively short horizon and are also capable of being recycled. This is worth waiting for. No sense in massive lithium/cobalt mining operations to try and reduce a rather small amount of emissions for the next 5-10 years.

- Toyota can build 5+ Priuses with the resources needed for an average BEV and over 10 for some monstrocities like the Hummer. Also they csn do that at an affordable price. At the end of the day with that small battery and hybrid power the Prius will produce efficiency on par with the power plant burning fuel to power a BEV. Give it another 5-10 years and maybe enough renewable energy comes online to reverse that... But not today.

- There are no infrastructure problems with hybrids. Outside of owning a Tesla all these fast charge times are meaningless as you are more lucky to win a lottery then find a functioning charging station capable of supplying the full power required for that time. Again, this is solvable in 5-10 years if the country gets serious.... But not today

 

on topic
some interesting reads

All the Costs Involved in Owning an Electric Car

From how much you need to drive one home to how much it will require to keep on the road, here’s everything you need to know about what it will cost you to own and drive an EV.

www.autoweek.com

What You Need to Know about EV Range and What Affects It

Many factors go into how far an EV will theoretically travel on a charge—and how far you can drive in the real world.

www.autoweek.com

EV Adoption Will Lower Costs—But Not for All

A University of Michigan study says costs associated with owning electric vehicles will vary widely by region and income.

www.autoweek.com

 

Same story?

New Alfa Romeo Range Will Likely Be Topped By 1,000-HP 6C Quadrifoglio

The days of V6 Alfas seem to be over, but the new cars will produce more power than ever.

carbuzz.com

 

Yes, except yours go further out on a limb with speculation on which car it will be.

 

My hope is that J.P. Imperato learns something from F1 other than his unacceptable poor performance in it. We do not need 100% BEVs by 2027 as he is mistakenly pushing . We just need to re-apply the F1 approach and technology to our street cars.

.... No new fossil carbon will be burned, thanks to the fully sustainable fuel to be used. Three times the electrical power, thanks to the current 1.6L V6 Turbo ICE evolving to include more powerful MGU-K technology and, hybrid components. +1,000hp with less fuel (In 2013, 160kg of regular fuel was used in a race; in 2020, that stood at 100kg; and in 2026 F1 is aiming for each car to use just 70kg of sustainable fuel during a Grand Prix)

Click Here and Enjoy it.

 

Ford is going to be an engine partner with Red Bull starting in 2026, because Ford wants to show off their electrification capability. The future is electric, boogie woogie.

 

I do not remember this article has been discussed in this Forum. It talks about Freedom, Options, Save The Planet and Realistic Timing For A Supposed Zero CO2 Emissions. It was issued in October 2022 and I just saw it today.

Click Here and Enjoy it.

 

I do not remember this article has been discussed in this Forum. It talks about Freedom, Options, Save The Planet and Realistic Timing For A Supposed Zero CO2 Emissions. It was issued in October 2022 and I just saw it today.

Click Here and Enjoy it.

 

Nothing will be a silver bullet to solve what many have decided to be a world ending crisis. Right or wrong the fact is the world only contains to much lithium, boronx etc and getting those chemicals out of the earth is very damaging to the environment. Keep mining for these materials cannot continue without having a negative impact on global warning. The matter of having everything powered by batteries is a goal being pushed on people and I really don't like the government dictating to me what I can or cannot drive. Word is there's going to be a lithium shortage by 2027 because they can't produce enough lithium at a rate to supply the growing demand. IMHO China is the a greater threat to the world then my car.

 

100% Electric Fire Truck at Daytona International Speedway. Showing off for 500 weekend.

 

”911….my house is on fire!”

”No problem sir, we’ll be there first thing in the morning”.

 

Guys, don't forget the instantaneous torque. Who cares about getting to the fire, pumps working and all that. What we need and want is instantaneous torque and offset the CO2 emissions caused in China, India and all Latin America.

 

Ram 1500 REV closes reservations after hitting capacity (whatever that number is).

Ram closes reservations for its first electric truck, the 1500 REV, after 5 days

Ram Trucks has officially closed reservations for its first electric truck, the Ram 1500 REV, after opening them on Super...

electrek.co

 

Nobody has identified that mining for lithium, boron and other minerals necessary to build all the batteries does, in fact contributes to the global warming. In addition, all the batteries which power the earth saving E.V. vehicles are dumped into landfills at the end of their useful life. All that's needed is one battery to crack and it can cause massive fires because the cells are designed in series and burn cell by cell. The last Tesla which caught fire took two fire trucks 4 hours to put the fire out. My only point is E.V. s are not the silver bullet to end global warming and will not be the answer our government touts. There's already concern there will be a lithium shortage by 2027 because demand will exceed the ability to mine the lithium needed. BTW there is only so much lithium in the planet and given it takes 500,000 gallons of water to produce 1 ton of lithium. Next crisis will be a worldwide water shortage which will affect farming, etc. In my mind China is a much greater threat at present

 

EV batteries are recycled. It’s a massive money making business. Move along.

 

We recycle around 5% of lithium ion batteries. It may have potential, but saying "It is a massive money making business." is simply not true. It may have potential, but for the most part, does not exist as an major industry.

So no, let's not dismiss that this is a myth.

Lithium costs a lot of money—so why aren’t we recycling lithium batteries?

The nascent recycling industry needs to economically deconstruct lots of formats.

arstechnica.com

 

Clearly the answer is Nuclear powered cars