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Eurocompulsion or Madness? Why did you pick the one you have and how do you like the performance? Same / Different / Close / Doesn't matter? :smile2:
 

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They’re throttle tuners, with GoPedal being the Madness product and PedalPro the EuroCompulsion product.

They are similar, but do have different feature sets.

I run Madness GoPedal+, a Bluetooth version, which I chose primarily because it is out of sight. I did not want a control box in the cabin, and the GP+ is controlled via phone app.

Additionally, I preferred the ease of installation of GoPedal+ over PedalPro. Both units plug into the throttle harness at the pedal, but PP requires an additional power lead which GP+ does not.

That users can create custom throttle maps was another attractive feature of GoPedal+.

I have to admit, though, that while the product works as describes, it also works just as I expected, by making the pedal more sensitive, which is something I’m not completely sure I like. I was hoping the GoPedal+ custom settings would address this concern.

I’m still experimenting to see what I like, but having throttle travel to manipulate is something I’m well accustomed to, and having a sensitive pedal is weird. I like having pedal travel to settle my foot into. I think I can get it dialed in with the custom maps— the stock Sport setting is too sensitive— but I just haven’t figured out what’s ideal yet. Maybe just having the unit on, speeding signal processing of the stock map, is the ticket.

Maybe if I didn’t drive exclusively in D, the reactivity of a throttle tune would be more appreciated, I don’t know, but as it is now, I’m not 100% sure the GoPedal+ suits my driving preferences. I think it may have reduced how often I manually shift, though, which says something about snappiness, probably.
 

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Maybe if I didn’t drive exclusively in D, the reactivity of a throttle tune would be more appreciated, I don’t know, but as it is now, I’m not 100% sure the GoPedal+ suits my driving preferences. I think it may have reduced how often I manually shift, though, which says something about snappiness, probably.
Similar experiences to you. I should really play with the custom map settings but haven't got around to it. I've settled where I just overlay the GoPedal+ Sport mode over the D,N,A. I drive in N for normal day to day. I switch to A when I'm caught in start stop traffic and slow drives. And D when I've got clear roads to fang the car.
 

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You do not have to hard wire the Pedal Pro if you choose not to. You can plug it into the OBDII port. The instructions go through this on EC's site.
 

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I went with Madness because of the app feature and it can be hidden out of sight. I love it. A is now usable (though I still rarely use it at least it's an option) and N feels like stock D.
 

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You do not have to hard wire the Pedal Pro if you choose not to. You can plug it into the OBDII port. The instructions go through this on EC's site.
Correct, but it still requires an additional lead, a power lead, which GoPedal+ does not.

I sometimes use a Kiwi3 OBD2 scanner for performance metrics, so that was another factor which took the PedalPro out of contention for me.
 

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I'm sorry but I did not get that from the instructions. I spoke to Chris and he said you can just plug it into the OBD.
 

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I'm sorry but I did not get that from the instructions. I spoke to Chris and he said you can just plug it into the OBD.
That is correct. You can either plug into the OBDII port, or hardware to another power source. You do not have to do both. Unplugging it from the OBDII port for other uses simply turns it off.
 

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I went with the EC euro+drive pedal pro. Since I have the EC P1 tune and the V2 intake, I got comfortable with the customer support from Eurocompulsion, and wanted to put all my eggs in that basket.

Technically, I use a +4 setting for sport and I use -5 setting for economy to support my use of performance, normal and “hand the keys to a valet” modes of operation. Suits me just fine. Works very well in conjunction with the phase 1 tune and the “Toby foot” mods to throttle sensitivity in A,N and D modes.

In Naturale DNA setting, +4 sport almost totally eliminates turbo lag. The full throttle launch and anti theft modes work as advertised, too. Also confirm that OBD II power disconnect reverts to normal pedal operation, as mentioned in the previous Toby post.

Thanks,
 

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Excellent info on both products this will help me greatly on my decision on what to buy later. Thanks for all the responses.
 

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This is great info. I'm definitely going to go for one of the setups now. This is for the pedal, and the ECU is discussed at length on another thread. What would you guys say the ultimate combination of modifications is? I'll look up the prices later...
 

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I got the none bluetooth pedal and what works perfect for me when driving on N mode I set the pedal on Ecco with 1 green light. For aggressive driving On D mode I set the pedal on Sport with 1 green light. On side note my aggressive driving is always on Manual with the paddle shifting. Only time I drive in Automatic is when I'm driving on N.
 

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I'm sorry but I did not get that from the instructions. I spoke to Chris and he said you can just plug it into the OBD.
That is correct. You can either plug into the OBDII port, or hardware to another power source. You do not have to do both. Unplugging it from the OBDII port for other uses simply turns it off.
I’m not sure what the confusion is here, since it’s pretty simple:

Whether you derive power from the OBD or splice into a hot lead (i.e. hardwire), the PedalPro unit additionally needs to be plugged into the throttle harness.

Both GoPedal and PedalPro need to be plugged into the throttle harness. That’s how they work.

What I’m telling you is that GoPedal+ is *only* plugged into the throttle harness, from which it derives power, and does not need the additional lead (either to a hot wire or plugged into OBD) which PedalPro does.

This makes GoPedal+ more convenient and easier to install than PedalPro.

And to repeat, in case this part was misunderstood as well, the GoPedal+ is controlled via phone app, so there is not the additional wired user interface which PedalPro has, either. The basic, non-BT GoPedal also has a similarly wired control unit, too, complicating it’s installation as well when compared to the “+” version.
 

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I’m not sure what the confusion is here, since it’s pretty simple:

Whether you derive power from the OBD or splice into a hot lead (i.e. hardwire), the PedalPro unit additionally needs to be plugged into the throttle harness.

Both GoPedal and PedalPro need to be plugged into the throttle harness. That’s how they work.

What I’m telling you is that GoPedal+ is *only* plugged into the throttle harness, from which it derives power, and does not need the additional lead (either to a hot wire or plugged into OBD) which PedalPro does.

This makes GoPedal+ more convenient and easier to install than PedalPro.

And to repeat, in case this part was misunderstood as well, the GoPedal+ is controlled via phone app, so there is not the additional wired user interface which PedalPro has, either. The basic, non-BT GoPedal also has a similarly wired control unit, too, complicating it’s installation as well when compared to the “+” version.
Let me just jump in here real quick.

The GOPedal Plus also has some additional features not found in the regular GOPedal. First, you gain the ability to create your own input maps and save as many as you like. You also gain kid, valet, and protect modes.

Kid and valet modes are pretty similar and they allow you to significantly reduce the throttle input. All the way down to a 20% limit if you choose.

Protect mode will completely disable the throttle pedal. So even if someone gets your keys and starts the car they will be unable to drive away.


Both the GOPedal and GOPedal Plus plug directly into the throttle harness and that is it. No power cables, no hardwires, no obd cables.
 

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I’m not sure what the confusion is here, since it’s pretty simple:

Whether you derive power from the OBD or splice into a hot lead (i.e. hardwire), the PedalPro unit additionally needs to be plugged into the throttle harness.

Both GoPedal and PedalPro need to be plugged into the throttle harness. That’s how they work.

What I’m telling you is that GoPedal+ is *only* plugged into the throttle harness, from which it derives power, and does not need the additional lead (either to a hot wire or plugged into OBD) which PedalPro does.

This makes GoPedal+ more convenient and easier to install than PedalPro.

And to repeat, in case this part was misunderstood as well, the GoPedal+ is controlled via phone app, so there is not the additional wired user interface which PedalPro has, either. The basic, non-BT GoPedal also has a similarly wired control unit, too, complicating it’s installation as well when compared to the “+” version.
Yes, I understand how the devices work. There is no confusion. My previous statement still stands as accurate, and was meant to clarify for the other member that it does not have to be wired both ways.

Your previous statement, "Correct, but it still requires an additional lead, a power lead, which GoPedal+ does not", in response to simply plugging it into the OBDII port was confusing and giving the impression to others (as demonstrated by the next post) that it needs to be installed both ways, even though that's not what you meant. I simply clarified.

FYI, the Pedal Pro uses another power source because of it's processing power (it has about double what most other controllers are using internally). This works more effectively with its own power source.
 

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I went with the EC euro+drive pedal pro. Since I have the EC P1 tune and the V2 intake, I got comfortable with the customer support from Eurocompulsion, and wanted to put all my eggs in that basket.
I have the same setup from EC for the same reasons, and wanted to support their development efforts.

I use only +5 so hid the device underneath the dashboard.
 

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Yes, I understand how the devices work. There is no confusion. My previous statement still stands as accurate, and was meant to clarify for the other member that it does not have to be wired both ways.

Your previous statement, "Correct, but it still requires an additional lead, a power lead, which GoPedal+ does not", in response to simply plugging it into the OBDII port was confusing and giving the impression to others (as demonstrated by the next post) that it needs to be installed both ways, even though that's not what you meant. I simply clarified.

FYI, the Pedal Pro uses another power source because of it's processing power (it has about double what most other controllers are using internally). This works more effectively with its own power source.
Given that in the first reply on thread I wrote, "Both units plug into the throttle harness at the pedal, but PP requires an additional power lead which GP+ does not," I don't know how we could have had another 5 or 6 posts worth of discussion on the wiring issue, only to arrive right back where we started, without there having been some confusion!

Anyway, I hope we got it all straightened out for everybody.

More importantly, can you elaborate a bit more on how having ~2x the processing power of other units affects the feel and performance of PedalPro? Is it as straightforward as having 2x the throttle response speed?

Specifically, does the increased processing power do anything to alleviate the "spool time" off idle (~900rpm) to reach the boost zone, around 2.3k rpm? That's the part which irritates me a bit, and about which GoPedal+ does nothing substantial for.

I haven't had a 4cyl turbo in awhile, so maybe I'm just forgetting that the slow response (lag) is the nature of the beast compared to 6cyls and 8cyls, both twin turbo and NA, which have been the meat of my car experience over the past 15 years or more. I did have a couple of Volvo turbo 5cyls in there, too, but my last turbo 4 was a '96 Saab 900 coupe which I sold in '03, maybe, so it has been awhile.
 

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I have the Non BT Go Pedal from Madness. I love it and it is a must have mod. I took some time to get used to the settings and now I leave it on sport +3 this way if someone steps up at a light i just throw the car in D mode and go. You get used to the pedal sensitivity. I opted for the Madness version because they were close by ( about 3 hours south of me) and I could run down there if worst case scenario something went wrong. I chose the Non BT model for two reason first the BT model was not available when I bought my Go Pedal but second i am not a big fan of Madness's BT stuff. I had their BT ECM and swapped it out for a Non BT model. The app kept getting stuck and locked up and with my phone connected to the car i just thought too many BT things connected at the same time would muck things up so I went non BT . That's just my experience others have had the BT stuff and it worked just fine for them. I connected the Go Pedal and ran the wire underneath the floor mat and velcroed it to the driver side of the shifter column. It's out of the way, easy to get to and you really don't even notice it. My Valet mode is simple. Turn it off! Joila ! Valet mode.

I don't think you can go wrong either way Madness or EC. I do think this mod is a MUST HAVE. Turns the Giulia into a completely different car.
 

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I see what you meant chaadster. Because of the "PP requires an additional power lead" statement, I thought you meant it had to be hard wired as there is an option to do that. Mine will go in the OBD.
 
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...i am not a big fan of Madness's BT stuff. I had their BT ECM and swapped it out for a Non BT model. The app kept getting stuck and locked up and with my phone connected to the car i just thought too many BT things connected at the same time would muck things up so I went non BT . That's just my experience others have had the BT stuff and it worked just fine for them.
The Madness GoPedal+ app has been working perfectly seamlessly for me-- it stays connected, and makes on-the-fly mode switches-- but I definitely get the BT cluster**** concern; I BT to the car, to the Escort radar detector, to the Kiwi3 OBD reader, and to the GP+...that seems like a lot!

I've got particular connectivity issues with the Escort, but I think that's on their end, because I've had ongoing problems with their BT units pre-dating this particular one.
 
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