Crazy how that happens. HP/TQ numbers don't tell the whole story.
Tonale Specs: why does Canada get a 256hp 2.0 and not the US?
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So how many sold and delivered. Because the numbers are all over. If they sold 20,000 in 5 months the numbers would show it.
We don't know. Stellantis has not released 4Q or full year '22 numbers.
I see same amounts in Philly but we know the sales are low.
When you shipping that GTA to me for testing? I’ve only blown 2 QV engines. No worries
All but guaranteed to confuse potential customers.
Aren’t all Alfa execs out to lunch? And aren’t most of them in Arese? I’ve only seen two around Stellantis’s North American ‘home turf’.
SUVs are the new opium of the people.
They go to IKEA twice a year and justify the terrible handling, gas, ugliness. All while crying climate change.
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I do think one SUV is always needed in a household. They're more useful and comfortable for family duties, groceries, etc. But growing up we always had one sport sedan in the garage too. Nowadays people are putting two SUVs under one garage and I can't fathom why.
I hear ya. I’ve always owned real trucks. And when they started making platinum trim levels that are loaded just like an SUV I just never understood the need for an SUV when a truck is same price, can actually drive in snow, safer and holds way more cargo.
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I agree 1000%. The sad thing is that in playing it safe they may have messed up the one vehicle that could have been the best seller of the siblings in the US.
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They are in Mirafiori these days. Also home of the Heritage Hub which is well worth a visit but you need to book it. Of course not as good as Arese but do both...
Heritage Hub
The Turin base of FCA Heritage is situated within the Mirafiori complex.
It’s a more appropriately sized car for Europe.
And I agree. People care about the car brand and look. Only a few about the specs of the car. Which is why AR is going to release SUVs first. Hopefully after the b sub something better for us will come
The upside to selling a lot of Tonales is revenue & profits for Alfa.
The downside to selling a lot of rebadged Fiat/Jeep/Peugeot vehicles, is that the message it sends to management is to continue making such vehicles (as opposed to 'purpose built' vehicles like Giulia & Stelvio).
I'm happy for the customers who choose to buy the Tonale, and for Alfa to profit from it, but disappointed because i'm not even the least bit interested in buying/driving/owning such vehicles.
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The downside to selling a lot of rebadged Fiat/Jeep/Peugeot vehicles, is that the message it sends to management is to continue making such vehicles (as opposed to 'purpose built' vehicles like Giulia & Stelvio).
I'm happy for the customers who choose to buy the Tonale, and for Alfa to profit from it, but disappointed because i'm not even the least bit interested in buying/driving/owning such vehicles.
IMHO
I believe it's becoming more and more difficult for the car makers to produce something "unique". This requires high investments whose return probably won't match the expectations. Unless you are Ferrari.
Look what happened in the VW group. All the cars are the same. Same frame, same engine. Even Lamborghini is basically an Audi. Scaling means higher margins and this is what the car makers want.
Meanwhile, on this side of the pond...They are in Mirafiori these days. Also home of the Heritage Hub which is well worth a visit but you need to book it. Of course not as good as Arese but do both...
Heritage Hub
The Turin base of FCA Heritage is situated within the Mirafiori complex.www.fcaheritage.com
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Was I invading their space? Apologies for the thumb.
I wonder how much profit Alfa Romeo will derive from Hornet sales.
That Abarth is my dream..it has become so expensive in EU
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We've completely derailed this thread now, but just look at how the SUV turned Porsche from near-bankruptcy in the 90's to the automotive powerhouse that it is today. I'm not saying Alfa can achieve the same level of success as Porsche, but in this day and age the SUV is one of the two necessary evil for any car brand, even ones with a strong sporting heritage. (The other one being some sort of EV commitment if not yet an outright product.)
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