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So I took on myself to plug in my tester. For those that have nor read my other thread, as I am getting every morning the same CEL message: "Electronic Throttle Error", followed by a CEL. When I stop the car and restart, the ETE message goes away, but the CEL stays on. Once the car is warm and has driven a few miles, CEL will be off the next time I start.

So this morning I checked with my ODBII tester, and the readout appeared as 3 times P06DD "Engine Oil Pressure Control Circuit Performance/Stuck Off".

Still not sure I want to go back to the same dealer, as they claim they have never seen the CEL, but maybe someone here knows more about this error.
 

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So I took on myself to plug in my tester. For those that have nor read my other thread, as I am getting every morning the same CEL message: "Electronic Throttle Error", followed by a CEL. When I stop the car and restart, the ETE message goes away, but the CEL stays on. Once the car is warm and has driven a few miles, CEL will be off the next time I start.

So this morning I checked with my ODBII tester, and the readout appeared as 3 times P06DD "Engine Oil Pressure Control Circuit Performance/Stuck Off".

Still not sure I want to go back to the same dealer, as they claim they have never seen the CEL, but maybe someone here knows more about this error.
Hi Alwaysdutch,
We recognize that at this time you are reaching out to other forum members for feedback. However, we would be more than happy to offer our assistance should you choose to revisit the dealer. Please feel free to send us a private message with your VIN, current mileage and preferred dealer.
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Hi Alwaysdutch,
We recognize that at this time you are reaching out to other forum members for feedback. However, we would be more than happy to offer our assistance should you choose to revisit the dealer. Please feel free to send us a private message with your VIN, current mileage and preferred dealer.
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Julie,

You are offering me to spill the beans on my issue.

I have been to the dealer; the car has been at the dealer for about 40+ days in the last 6 months. Every time I pick up the car, I get different problems, and they do not seem to be able to check this error out (they claim they never saw the error, while I see it every morning).

I am in connection with AC, but honestly I was offered to go to the next dealer, which is 4 hours from here, or just suck it up at this dealer, which I refuse. We discussed the option to replace the car.

Due to the nature of these two errors, I had no choice than to park the car until further notice.
 
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Julie,

You are offering me to spill the beans on my issue.

I have been to the dealer; the car has been at the dealer for about 40+ days in the last 6 months. Every time I pick up the car, I get different problems, and they do not seem to be able to check this error out (they claim they never saw the error, while I see it every morning).

I am in connection with AC, but honestly I was offered to go to the next dealer, which is 4 hours from here, or just suck it up at this dealer, which I refuse. We discussed the option to replace the car.

Due to the nature of these two errors, I had no choice than to park the car until further notice.
Thank you for elaborating on this further, Alwaysdutch. I do regret to hear of these further experiences and that it seems that a resolution has not been met with your current case. I can look into this further for you. Just send a private mesage with your VIN. Please keep in mind however, our customer care teams are not mecancially trained so we do rely on our dealer so be our eyes and ears in the field.
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I wish you best of luck with AR Care. I am blown away by the apparent, yet all too common, incompetence from your dealership ... see if you can get your car shipped out to another dealer and see if AR or the dealership could help you out ($$) ... You at least have a good excuse, and they could gain another customer, if they are motivated
 

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I wish you best of luck with AR Care. I am blown away by the apparent, yet all too common, incompetence from your dealership ... see if you can get your car shipped out to another dealer and see if AR or the dealership could help you out ($$) ... You at least have a good excuse, and they could gain another customer, if they are motivated
Thanks! At this point I know more about the problem than the dealer! This morning it was 33 degrees, so I knew the CEL would come on, and sure enough, there it was. When it is that cold, the ECU triggers the temp and one of the seven oil pump lines will not open, resulting in an internal area of the engine that does not get oil until the engine warms up. What do I know??
 
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Thanks! At this point I know more about the problem than the dealer! This morning it was 33 degrees, so I knew the CEL would come on, and sure enough, there it was. When it is that cold, the ECU triggers the temp and one of the seven oil pump lines will not open, resulting in an internal area of the engine that does not get oil until the engine warms up. What do I know??
Unfortunately you are at that point where you can either be given another car..or get your $$$$ back. I NEVER NEVER say this, but in your case I would just take the money....for ONE reason...your local dealer is clearly incompetent and you don't have another dealer option (4 hours away)...
that just really sucks!.
Alfa NA/FCA better wake up in regards to their dealer network otherwise they pissed away a bunch of $$$$ on the Giorgio platform
 

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Unfortunately you are at that point where you can either be given another car..or get your $$$$ back. I NEVER NEVER say this, but in your case I would just take the money....for ONE reason...your local dealer is clearly incompetent and you don't have another dealer option (4 hours away)...
that just really sucks!.
Alfa NA/FCA better wake up in regards to their dealer network otherwise they pissed away a bunch of $$$$ on the Giorgio platform
I would opt for another car, as I like how the Giulia drives, but I don't know how they calculate a replacement. By now I have seen many nice TIs going for the same money as I paid for my Base, but that is probably dreaming..... I am not sure I would agree to another 2017 though...
 

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I would opt for another car, as I like how the Giulia drives, but I don't know how they calculate a replacement. By now I have seen many nice TIs going for the same money as I paid for my Base, but that is probably dreaming..... I am not sure I would agree to another 2017 though...
They basically give you the same car, you don't get to upgrade unless you want to pay the extra, do they give you a 2018??, that I could not speak too.
But you would either get the car or the $$$ you paid....usually they do not ding you for the miles as the buy back would be done as a Lemon buy-back.

But what I don't get, is that leaves you no better off from a dealer perspective:confused:
I went through this with my QV initially BUT I had another dealer option who was vastly superior to the selling dealer....IF I didn't, I would have taken the $$$
 

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They basically give you the same car, you don't get to upgrade unless you want to pay the extra, do they give you a 2018??, that I could not speak too.
But you would either get the car or the $$$ you paid....usually they do not ding you for the miles as the buy back would be done as a Lemon buy-back.

But what I don't get, is that leaves you no better off from a dealer perspective:confused:
I went through this with my QV initially BUT I had another dealer option who was vastly superior to the selling dealer....IF I didn't, I would have taken the $$$
Ok. Well, if they push so hard on the same, than I want the same. I suggest they start looking for the "exact" same vehicle, which is nowhere close from where I have searched. I am willing to drive to SC or NC for a deal that will save them transportation.

I doubt though that they replace the car.
 

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Ok. Well, if they push so hard on the same, than I want the same. I suggest they start looking for the "exact" same vehicle, which is nowhere close from where I have searched. I am willing to drive to SC or NC for a deal that will save them transportation.

I doubt though that they replace the car.
that was the issue I had, they could not find a QV like mine, offered me a Black one, I said no, then they offered to let me order one (6 to 8 months) I said are you kidding!??...that's when they said they will buy it back...until I found the right dealer that fixed everything perfectly...
I feel for you, really do, you wish that you really didn't like the car as much as you do so that it would be easy to just take the cash...
let us know how it finally turns out with Alfa.
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I’ll take a quick look into this tomorrow and post up my findings. What’s the approximate mileage you have?
 

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I’ll take a quick look into this tomorrow and post up my findings. What’s the approximate mileage you have?
7,300. Problems with the vehicle started at 4,600 miles, but also because the dealer started touching it :wink2:
 

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THERES NOTHING ONLINE ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC CODE AS BEING A KNOWN ISSUE, LIKELY AN ISOLATED PROBLEM, WHICH SOMETIMES IS TOUGH TO FIND/REPAIR.
MY INFO SHOW ONLY THIS:

Possible Causes


ENGINE OIL LEVEL LOW
INCORRECT ENGINE OIL FILTER
INSUFFICIENT OIL PRESSURE DUE TO A MECHANICAL FAILURE IN THE OILING SYSTEM
ENGINE MECHANICAL FAILURE
ENGINE OIL PRESSURE SENSOR
DUAL STAGE OIL PUMP

ANYTHING MORE WILL NEED SIGNIFICANT TIME FOR DIAG.
 

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THERES NOTHING ONLINE ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC CODE AS BEING A KNOWN ISSUE, LIKELY AN ISOLATED PROBLEM, WHICH SOMETIMES IS TOUGH TO FIND/REPAIR.
MY INFO SHOW ONLY THIS:

Possible Causes


ENGINE OIL LEVEL LOW
INCORRECT ENGINE OIL FILTER
INSUFFICIENT OIL PRESSURE DUE TO A MECHANICAL FAILURE IN THE OILING SYSTEM
ENGINE MECHANICAL FAILURE
ENGINE OIL PRESSURE SENSOR
DUAL STAGE OIL PUMP

ANYTHING MORE WILL NEED SIGNIFICANT TIME FOR DIAG.
Thanks for checking.

None of it sounds positive to me
 

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Dealer should start with oil pressure switch, and if the issue still exists change the oil pump, we have oil pump codes sometimes on 3.6 fca vehicles, not common but sometimes a pump is required to fix it.
Really your dealer should contact fca techline, here in canada our contact is terry.
 

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Dealer should start with oil pressure switch, and if the issue still exists change the oil pump, we have oil pump codes sometimes on 3.6 fca vehicles, not common but sometimes a pump is required to fix it.
Really your dealer should contact fca techline, here in canada our contact is terry.
Yeah, although I agree, I refuse at this point to go to the idiots here in ATL, but that leaves me going to Birmingham, which is a 3.5 hour ride.
 

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Yeah, although I agree, I refuse at this point to go to the idiots here in ATL, but that leaves me going to Birmingham, which is a 3.5 hour ride.
I would suggest a video of the CEL and any associated behaviors and then taking the car back to the dealer/idiot with the video. Tell them that you already have enough days out of service for the Georgia Lemon Law to be applicable, and this is their final chance to fix this verified issue before you make them give you all your money back. That conversation should be with no less than the Dealership Manager or Owner.
 
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