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Hello everyone. Joining from the Kansas City area. My wife has her 2020 Verde Visconti Stelvio Lusso with full brown leather interior and now it's my turn. I'm in the process of ordering a 2021 Giulia QV.
Choosing Ocra GT Junior with the dark 5 hole wheels, nero edizione, and black calipers. Test drove a stelvio QV today. What a rush. It will take awhile to arrive and haven't committed yet.
I have a few questions:
1) I'm considering the ceramic coat +/- at least partial clear vinyl wrap (3M vs Xpel). Ceramic coat enough? I do plan to track the car and that will require travel outside the state.
2) I see several prices on this Configuration Preview sheet. There is the MSRP, FWP, HB, FFP and EP. I believe I know what the represent, but I'm wondering where I should start in the negotiations. Would anyone suggest targeting the EP, or FFP? Other suggestions on the negotiation?
3) Carbon ceramic brakes were not an option. I would like some suggestions on brake upgrades for track days.

Anyways, it will likely be July or August before it would be built/available. I imagine that time will go quite slowly.
Thanks and looking forward to reading through the other posts.
 

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Hello everyone. Joining from the Kansas City area. My wife has her 2020 Verde Visconti Stelvio Lusso with full brown leather interior and now it's my turn. I'm in the process of ordering a 2021 Giulia QV.
Choosing Ocra GT Junior with the dark 5 hole wheels, nero edizione, and black calipers. Test drove a stelvio QV today. What a rush. It will take awhile to arrive and haven't committed yet.
I have a few questions:
1) I'm considering the ceramic coat +/- at least partial clear vinyl wrap (3M vs Xpel). Ceramic coat enough? I do plan to track the car and that will require travel outside the state.
2) I see several prices on this Configuration Preview sheet. There is the MSRP, FWP, HB, FFP and EP. I believe I know what the represent, but I'm wondering where I should start in the negotiations. Would anyone suggest targeting the EP, or FFP? Other suggestions on the negotiation?
3) Carbon ceramic brakes were not an option. I would like some suggestions on brake upgrades for track days.

Anyways, it will likely be July or August before it would be built/available. I imagine that time will go quite slowly.
Thanks and looking forward to reading through the other posts.
1) I had paint protection film (PPF) and ceramic coating on my 2018 QV, and will be doing so again with my 2021. It is currently at the dealership in Strongsville, OH, waiting for an enclosed carrier to pick it up and bring it to me here in Colorado. The ceramic coating is great for keeping it clean, ease of cleaning, and to add depth to the paint, but PPF is better for preventing rock chips. Run from any company that wants to put the ceramic coating on first an apply the PPF after.

2) For some folks on the forum, I'm sounding like a broken record at this point: call Mike DeSalvo at Alfa of Strongsville, OH, tell him the configuration you are interested in, and he will tell you right out the gate what his best price is. No negotiation needed and he will ship the car to your home for free. None of the other dealers I spoke with could match Mike's price, and their best offers were thousands above. I have no affiliation with that dealership other than my own transaction.

3) I've never driven on a track nor have my QVs had CCBs, so I can't help with this topic.
 

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1) I had paint protection film (PPF) and ceramic coating on my 2018 QV, and will be doing so again with my 2021. It is currently at the dealership in Strongsville, OH, waiting for an enclosed carrier to pick it up and bring it to me here in Colorado. The ceramic coating is great for keeping it clean, ease of cleaning, and to add depth to the paint, but PPF is better for preventing rock chips. Run from any company that wants to put the ceramic coating on first an apply the PPF after.

2) For some folks on the forum, I'm sounding like a broken record at this point: call Mike DeSalvo at Alfa of Strongsville, OH, tell him the configuration you are interested in, and he will tell you right out the gate what his best price is. No negotiation needed and he will ship the car to your home for free. None of the other dealers I spoke with could match Mike's price, and their best offers were thousands above. I have no affiliation with that dealership other than my own transaction.

3) I've never driven on a track nor have my QVs had CCBs, so I can't help with this topic.
So helpful BayAreaQV. Really appreciate your time. I will give Mike a call. I do like our dealership but it sounds like Mike really works to get the best price. Your answer to number 1 was really helpful. Dealer said they could put on the ceramic coat on and then I would have to get the ppf elsewhere. Now I know better. Thanks
 

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So apply the ceramic coating yourself from Gtechniq and add the film later. The Xpel ultimate is good so is the top of the line 3M. QV brakes are a pain in the ass. The only aftermarket rotors are from Giro disk $2400 for a full set and there are some pad options from Rock Auto and KNS brakes. Obviously the pad type is based on usage and make sure you buy some good brake fluid ravenoil race brake fluid or motul rbf 600.
 

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So apply the ceramic coating yourself from Gtechniq and add the film later. The Xpel ultimate is good so is the top of the line 3M. QV brakes are a pain in the ass. The only aftermarket rotors are from Giro disk $2400 for a full set and there are some pad options from Rock Auto and KNS brakes. Obviously the pad type is based on usage and make sure you buy some good brake fluid ravenoil race brake fluid or motul rbf 600.
Thanks Dude. I will start looking around for local folks to apply the film.
I'll check out the disks. Appreciate the advice on the fluid as well. Have a good day.
 

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So helpful BayAreaQV. Really appreciate your time. I will give Mike a call. I do like our dealership but it sounds like Mike really works to get the best price. Your answer to number 1 was really helpful. Dealer said they could put on the ceramic coat on and then I would have to get the ppf elsewhere. Now I know better. Thanks
I would recommend taking your QV to a reputable specialist that does nothing other than ceramic coating, window tinting, and PPF. Paint correction work is needed before ceramic is applied, so it isn't work that you want a dealer to just farm out to whoever is nearby and less expensive. And don't buy the car and drive it around for a few weeks before getting the work done as you are just risking something fing up your paint. I picked up my car from the dealership late one afternoon, and the next morning, dropped it off for the work to get done. If you go with a package such as Ceramic Pro Gold, expect the work to take about 5-7 days, as they will put on multiple layers of coating and each layer has to be cured before the next one can be applied. At a good shop, this will cost in the area of $2K (for both the PPF and ceramic coat).

Another reason to not have the dealer do the work is they don't know what they are talking about. A true ceramic coating such as Ceramic Pro is hydrophobic, and since water is used to install the PPF, the PPF won't bond to the ceramic coat correctly. Ceramic coat is kinda like a non-stick skillet if you know what I mean.

Can't wait for my QV to get here in a couple weeks! Already have lowering springs (ST) and the Madness Go Pedal here waiting. My '21 configuration is similar to my '18 in the form of tri-coat red, dark 5-hole wheels, red calipers, and Sparco seats, but added exposed CF roof and exterior CF package as well. I've lived in Colorado 2.5 years, and I've only ever seen 1 other Giulia QV and 1 Stelvio QV.

One additional note: There were a few instances in which I was accelerating really aggressively in race mode, and when the car shifted into 3rd gear, the rear end went loose, swung around to the driver's side. Reason I no longer have my 2018 QV. Now that the exhaust is open in dynamic mode (it used to only be open in race mode), I have no reason to use race mode on city streets and freeways going forward.
 

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I would recommend taking your QV to a reputable specialist that does nothing other than ceramic coating, window tinting, and PPF. Paint correction work is needed before ceramic is applied, so it isn't work that you want a dealer to just farm out to whoever is nearby and less expensive. And don't buy the car and drive it around for a few weeks before getting the work done as you are just risking something fing up your paint. I picked up my car from the dealership late one afternoon, and the next morning, dropped it off for the work to get done. If you go with a package such as Ceramic Pro Gold, expect the work to take about 5-7 days, as they will put on multiple layers of coating and each layer has to be cured before the next one can be applied. At a good shop, this will cost in the area of $2K (for both the PPF and ceramic coat).

Another reason to not have the dealer do the work is they don't know what they are talking about. A true ceramic coating such as Ceramic Pro is hydrophobic, and since water is used to install the PPF, the PPF won't bond to the ceramic coat correctly. Ceramic coat is kinda like a non-stick skillet if you know what I mean.

Can't wait for my QV to get here in a couple weeks! Already have lowering springs (ST) and the Madness Go Pedal here waiting. My '21 configuration is similar to my '18 in the form of tri-coat red, dark 5-hole wheels, red calipers, and Sparco seats, but added exposed CF roof and exterior CF package as well. I've lived in Colorado 2.5 years, and I've only ever seen 1 other Giulia QV and 1 Stelvio QV.

One additional note: There were a few instances in which I was accelerating really aggressively in race mode, and when the car shifted into 3rd gear, the rear end went loose, swung around to the driver's side. Reason I no longer have my 2018 QV. Now that the exhaust is open in dynamic mode (it used to only be open in race mode), I have no reason to use race mode on city streets and freeways going forward.
Very helpful, again. So just to be clear, PPF first, then the ceramic coat, correct? no need to reply if that's the case. I have my eye on 2 or 3 shops here in KC and will talk with them. Plan to receive the car and head straight to the shop I choose.
Your build sounds great. Love that tri-coat red. I also love the Verde Visconti we have on my wifes stelvio. All of a sudden, we are seeing stelvios and even a few giulia's all over the place here. Not any QV's yet. My son's coach has a grey veloce trim. I hope my ocra GT will be the only in town for awhile.
And I have an email out to Mike. Will be interesting to see what he says. THanks for all your help. Trying to make contact with other owners here in KC through another discussion here.
And I don't want any trouble on the streets but want to use that Race mode so searching out track and training options. Glad the pipes open up in dynamic now. that was a huge change for the better.
Have a good evening
 

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If you plan to track the car I recommend against the CCB's. VERY expensive consumables for not really better braking performance. Good pads, good fluid you're fine. And you don't have $5,000 rotor change costs.
 
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Pulled the trigger. Have the Ocra GT Junior QV with nero edizione, green/white stitching, black calipers with dark 5-hole wheels in the queue. Girodisc eventually. Will be a 2021. They say August...fingers crossed. Planning Michelin Alpin winter tires and still debating front brake pads and fluid. Have some time to decide. Will get PPF and ceramic as well. I'm sure this will be the longest 4 months (minimum) of my life. There's a private track and racing club in development south of Kansas City. Hope to get involved. Anyways, really enjoying the forum and thanks for all the advice to this point. Hope to have more to contribute in the future.
 

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I just ordered my ‘21 montreal green QV too (April 17th)! I’ve been checking with the Alfa Chat customer support people for updates but I’ve gotten nothing. Have you heard any for your car?

I know my dealer originally ordered my car back in feb, and it’s been in BX - good to schedule status since then. I just put the deposit down and changed some options since it hasn’t been schedule yet.
 

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Well, I put down the deposit early April if I remember correctly (at the time of order). Of course, work has been so busy, it's kind of a blur. It may have been late March. I decided that when they said the manufacture would start in June, I wasn't even going to inquire of the dealer until mid-June. So yesterday, I emailed a link for an Alfa event to the salesman, but he only spoke to the event and not my order. I'm going to assume the worst (delayed start) and then hope to be pleasantly surprised. I am not too worried as a dealership in Ohio who gave me a great quote gave me the same dates of manufacture and expected arrival (June/August).
I hope there isn't a problem with yours. In the meantime, I'm storing up Alfa t-shirts and watching track videos......Will be a real test to not reach out until June. Should the dealer have some information of any real value before they start the manufacture? I have never done this before.
 

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Thanks bud! I hope the build starts by then.
And yes! They can get you info, but it depends on what you consider what’s of real value. They can tell you when it gets assigned a VIN, when it’s been scheduled a build date, and what that build date will be. You can also head to Alfa customer support and do a live chat, just give them your VON number and they can give you status updates right back. If I didn’t know that, and how easy it was, I’d probably have let it be and just wait, but I can check in quick and easy so it’s hard not to 😂
 

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Thanks bud! I hope the build starts by then.
And yes! They can get you info, but it depends on what you consider what’s of real value. They can tell you when it gets assigned a VIN, when it’s been scheduled a build date, and what that build date will be. You can also head to Alfa customer support and do a live chat, just give them your VON number and they can give you status updates right back. If I didn’t know that, and how easy it was, I’d probably have let it be and just wait, but I can check in quick and easy so it’s hard not to 😂
And really looking forward to seeing pics of yours. It was really hard to choose between the Montreal and the Ocra. Good luck. I'll contact customer support.
 

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Thanks man! I’m looking forward to see pics of yours too! The orange is super cool, but the green was just calling to me haha
 

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@SlowSmkr Have you heard from your dealer today yet? If not call them ASAP. Alfa is apparently cancelling a ton of orders, and tried to cancel my QV order and make it go through as a ‘22. My dealer basically told them if they don’t push it through I’d be going to buy the competition so they begrudgingly said they’d build it. Alfa cancelled about 20 other cars my dealer had on order though.

Good luck!
 

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I just called the Alfa support number to see what’s the status on my car and they said it’s currently being built but the ship date hasn’t been scheduled yet!
 

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I just called the Alfa support number to see what’s the status on my car and they said it’s currently being built but the ship date hasn’t been scheduled yet!
That's really exciting. Looking forward to the pics. Hoping they start in June on mine. This is going to seem like the longest 3-4 months! Found these videos of a Giulia QV in Ocra. I think I will be happy with the choice. I'll just keep watching over and over for a few months
 
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