[JFS130]

Hi all. I'm confused. My paperwork from the dealership last month says "Oil and Filter Service. Quantity: 8, FP Number: 68258691AA" ..then says "5W40 / SM / CF / PENNZOIL".

The part number matches that of Mopar branded 5W40. There is a similar part number (68523970AA) that is for SRT PurePlus 0W40 Pennzoil, but I cannot seem to find the connection between the part number listed on my paperwork and Pennzoil 5W40.

Any input appreciated. Trying to order a quart for when I pull some out for analysis to top it back off.

 

[Alfissimo]

Pennzoil Euro Plat 5W-40 used.

VIN 7581688 on should use 5W-40 API SN/ACEA C3 oil. (Pennzoil is a API SP/ACEA A3/B4 Oil) Anything before this VIN needs to use 0W-40 API SN ACEA A3/B4

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I realize the bulletin below is EMEA (EU) but let's just say they have very few engine replacements compared to the US, in-fact so few I have never heard of any. Pennzoil is fine but not the best oil you can use, it's just a contract thing with Shell. Better oils available.

0W and 5W are not much different but I tend to think they used it for a reason. If you require 0W use that, 5W, use that.

 

[JFS130]

Pennzoil Euro Plat 5W-40 used.

VIN 7581688 on should use 5W-40 API SN/ACEA C3 oil. (Pennzoil is a API SP/ACEA A3/B4 Oil) Anything before this VIN needs to use 0W-40 API SN ACEA A3/B4

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Well whataya know...I'm vin 7575634. Safe to say I should be using 0W40, correct? Surprised the dealer wouldn't do this correctly.

 

[Alfissimo]

Well whataya know...I'm vin 7575634. Safe to say I should be using 0W40, correct? Surprised the dealer wouldn't do this correctly.

They won't either. Do the change yourself or with an independent and document it.

The ROWE RS 0W-40 is some stellar oil and is PAO based oil with Fiat Spec if that matters.

Kit: HIGHTEC SYNTH RS SAE 0W-40 Oil Change Kit 2.9L/1.8L (10L kit)

2x 5L containers

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This is what I would use. It also stopped the infamous lifter stick on these cars. Nice and quiet and smooth now.

 

[Buba1]

Another reason why I do my own oil changes, I know exactly what I'm putting in. I never trust anyone or any dealer to put the correct stuff in there, especially on such a car that's so particular with its type of oil.

 

[JFS130]

They won't either. Do the change yourself or with an independent and document it.

The ROWE RS 0W-40 is some stellar oil and is PAO based oil with Fiat Spec if that matters.

Kit: HIGHTEC SYNTH RS SAE 0W-40 Oil Change Kit 2.9L/1.8L (10L kit)

2x 5L containers

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This is what I would use. It also stopped the infamous lifter stick on these cars. Nice and quiet and smooth now.

I hear lifter stick on my car. Interesting. Going to do some reading on ROWE, and 100% will be visiting an independent ASAP. On the bright side, I can get this oil drained rather than having to pull some out with a pump.

Another reason why I do my own oil changes, I know exactly what I'm putting in. I never trust anyone or any dealer to put the correct stuff in there, especially on such a car that's so particular with its type of oil.

Learning the hard way.....

 

[Alfissimo]

I hear lifter stick on my car. Interesting. Going to do some reading on ROWE, and 100% will be visiting an independent ASAP. On the bright side, I can get this oil drained rather than having to pull some out with a pump.



Learning the hard way.....

You will be fine.

Change oil every 4-5K miles or 1 year.

Can get somewhat of an idea here: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/german-rowe-motor-oil.321155/

"The Rowe 0w40 Synth RS is supposed to be excellent and it's all Group IV and V according to the Russian and German oil forums"


I am working closely with them as I like their approach to oil. They want the best, they don't want to be huge and they keep the company in the same family.

5W-40 Hightec Synth RS coming soon for those looking for PAO 5W-40 API SN

 

[JFS130]

You will be fine.

Change oil every 4-5K miles or 1 year.

Can get somewhat of an idea here: https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/german-rowe-motor-oil.321155/

I am working closely with them as I like their approach to oil. They want the best, they don't want to be huge and they keep the company in the same family.

Thanks. Yeah, basic understanding of engine oil (and my climate - NEFL), I'm not all that concerned about running 5wt over 0wt. That said, I like things to be right (don't we all)?

Maybe I'll just top off with 0W40 after pulling some to check on fuel dilution again, that way, when I do get a change, I have at least some 0W on hand (though, it will be Pennzoil, and from my previous thread about my abnormal sample, I'm highly considering a switch to Motul or Rowe (or Selenia...need to do more reading and decide)).

Really appreciate your help. Don't be surprised when you see a "JFS130" referenced in an Alfissimo order at some point soon so you know it's me showing some appreciation for all of your input. People like you make ownership experiences & communities enjoyable.

 

[NAM VET]

ever since my '18 QV was new, with now right at 40K miles, it has had either the Pennzoil Euro in 0-40 or the past few years the 5-40 version. It is what my Alfa dealer uses when I have them change oil and filter at about 8K miles, I suck out my oil midway in that interval, no filter change, and find that 6 quarts fills to just below the full mark on the dipstick and on the electronic gage.

I am not party to the decisions an engine manufacturer makes re: their fill and oil recommendations, but they do have to consider if the engine lives in Norway or Dubai. Plus has to have reasonable worldwide availability, not just in rural Pakistan. I don't follow the precise and sometimes changing specifications of our engine oils, but would hope that my dealer would use an oil satisfactory to Alfa. There may indeed be "better" oils, but I do an oil analysis every time the oil and filter are changed, and thus far, they report a superb condition of my engine.

As to the change in the early 2.9 motors from 0-40 to 5-40, perhaps Alfa decided the latter was better, given that I doubt there were significant changes in the early engines.

The oil specs are beyond my ability to comprehend, so I stick with my present plan. I have an extended warranty, and am sure to not only prove my interval changes, but do my oil/filter changes at the dealer, to ensure I have no issues with any engine problems. I don't track my QV.

I have used a Griot's vacuum system for decades and recently asked them to send me fresh tubing, which they did, free.

When my engine is out of warranty in a few years, I might well re-think the whole oil thing. No doubt people like Jason know a lot more about this than I do.

NV
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[Alfissimo]

Thanks. Yeah, basic understanding of engine oil (and my climate - NEFL), I'm not all that concerned about running 5wt over 0wt. That said, I like things to be right (don't we all)?

Maybe I'll just top off with 0W40 after pulling some to check on fuel dilution again, that way, when I do get a change, I have at least some 0W on hand (though, it will be Pennzoil, and from my previous thread about my abnormal sample, I'm highly considering a switch to Motul or Rowe (or Selenia...need to do more reading and decide)).

Really appreciate your help. Don't be surprised when you see a "JFS130" referenced in an Alfissimo order at some point soon so you know it's me showing some appreciation for all of your input. People like you make ownership experiences & communities enjoyable.

There is some advantage to 0W in all climates, quicker oil lubrication. 0W-40 tends to be the oil used in a lot of high performance cars and thus why I believe Alfa decided on this first. Most of the higher end 0W-40 oils are more suited for high performance/track driven.

All three of those are great oils but ROWE is PAO based. The Motul 0W-40 is a hydrocracked group III based same with the Selenia. Both highly regarded but I would say the ROWE has the edge but all 3 as mentioned are top. Nice thing with the ROWE too is it does meet the spec and is still a stellar oil. Sometimes we have to say goodbye to the bare minimum Fiat spec oils for better oils that are PAO or Ester based for such a spectacular engine. But in this case we do not.

5W-40 spec oils I carry the Selenia, Pakelo and Motul with the ROWE being a Fiat spec close enough but again a stellar oil. For those that want better than bare min. Fiat spec. (GH2) Mainly this spec is emissions related anyway.

Appreciate the comments and glad I could help. Email me anytime for questions. I don't know it all but will always find an answer with all the connections I have.

 

[JFS130]

ever since my '18 QV was new, with now right at 40K miles, it has had either the Pennzoil Euro in 0-40 or the past few years the 5-40 version. It is what my Alfa dealer uses when I have them change oil and filter at about 8K miles, I suck out my oil midway in that interval, no filter change, and find that 6 quarts fills to just below the full mark on the dipstick and on the electronic gage.

NV

Thanks for the great write up, and I agree--Florida weather is different from my native state of NJ and thus, should be considered. I feel good about 5w being in the car, but knowing FCA put out an SN for my car to be 0w...I'll eventually make the change.

Beautiful blue QV by the way, and thank you for your service!

Appreciate the comments and glad I could help. Email me anytime for questions. I don't know it all but will always find an answer with all the connections I have.

I will for sure, very much appreciated.