Well that's no good, hope they update soon.
Thanks for the heads up.
Thanks for the heads up.
Was everything else there? Just the 2.0 liter data missing?
How well is the manual laid out? Is it detailed? Good illustrations and so on?
That is pretty common for the cars I have service manuals for. Even the 1974 Spider provides the wiring diagram as a separate item so that it can be larger than the manual pages are. Of course these days with the ability to zoom in and out a wiring diagram could be any size I guess.The lack of wiring diagrams is a bummer
QV/Ti/Base are in the same manual. The missing 2.0 engine data problem is not fixed yet. I spoke to them three days ago and finally got someone who recognized there is a problem.Hi all -
Billeee, I presume you ordered the Giulia Service Manual CD - via Alfa online? or an Alfa Dealer? Elsewhere?
Anyone know if there is a separate Quadrifoglio Service Manual available out there (I presume so)?
Many thanks,
Paul
17 Blue Quad
Whew. I just order mine the other day. I've got the 2.0 engine.As said, the work shop manual CD you can guy from Tech Authority, is back. Has both engines now, and well cross-linked, very nice illustrations. Very good manual, perhaps a tiny challenge searching it (wish it had an index or search function).
Paul
17 MC Blue QV
The language used is JavaScript, not Java. Two different languages with two different end results and uses. Similar name and easy to get mixed up though....one thing that DOES stink, is that the Java code the html pages are connected to, prohibits the use of anything other than Microsoft Internet Explorer to view the manual with. If you put it on an iPad or Android device - too bad, cannot use any other Browser!
Anyone know a way around that manual viewing problem (rather than carrying around my clunker PC laptop)?
Thanks
Paul
ahhh- yep my Bust Racer Z - thanks, as regards Javascript, should paid closer attention lol. It also makes sense now what's going on, very helpful info... Seems like my current way around the issue is to use "Splashtop" (or anyone else's VMWare or VPN) and log into my PC remotely to be able to use a more transportable Android or iPad... I would hope meanwhile, that modernization in MOPAR (looking at Moore's law), includes a newer engine etc...The language used is JavaScript, not Java. Two different languages with two different end results and uses. Similar name and easy to get mixed up though.
Yes, they use HTML, JavaScript, XML and XSL. This a good approach actually as any browser should be able to view all the data. But, the engine was written back in 2004. Back then, to write this so it would work correctly on any browser meant that the programmer would have had to write the same code four time, one for each major browser. Since then, the language has evolved and the programmer can usually write one code that functions correctly in all browsers.
I understand the reason why they chose what they chose, thirteen years ago. It's time to make a new decision.
Back in 2004, IE (Internet Explorer) was written to run on a Mac. Safari was written to run an Windows also. Everything is subject to change. Safari no longer has a Windows port and IE no longer has a Mac port. IE has been officially drop by Microsoft as well.
The 2004 copyright engine was written for Chrysler. FCA needs to step up and write a new engine.
HTML, JavaScript and XML have no support for any kind of copyright protection. I am not familiar with XSL.The language used is JavaScript, not Java. Two different languages with two different end results and uses. Similar name and easy to get mixed up though.
Yes, they use HTML, JavaScript, XML and XSL. This a good approach actually as any browser should be able to view all the data. But, the engine was written back in 2004. Back then, to write this so it would work correctly on any browser meant that the programmer would have had to write the same code four time, one for each major browser. Since then, the language has evolved and the programmer can usually write one code that functions correctly in all browsers.
I understand the reason why they chose what they chose, thirteen years ago. It's time to make a new decision.
Back in 2004, IE (Internet Explorer) was written to run on a Mac. Safari was written to run an Windows also. Everything is subject to change. Safari no longer has a Windows port and IE no longer has a Mac port. IE has been officially drop by Microsoft as well.
The 2004 copyright engine was written for Chrysler. FCA needs to step up and write a new engine.
Correct, they don't. Anybody can write using those languages and use, give or sell their work. But the work that people do can be copyright protected.HTML, JavaScript and XML have no support for any kind of copyright protection. I am not familiar with XSL.
IE has Microsoft proprietary extensions that may allow implementation of copyright protection.
Opera doesn't like reading files from a local disk, so it may have problems even without use of extensions.
JavaScript file said:// DaimlerChrysler
// Proof-of-Concept SVG
// Alpha-Release (4)
// Model Year 2005 LX-Platform
//
// January 4, 2005
// Revision:
// July 2005 Collection of 8W-cell objects replaced array of 8W-cell objects
//
//
// SPX-Valley Forge Technical Information Services
// Exton, PA
// Joe Young
There are 22 js files alone. If I thought I could easily fix it to work with any browser I would. But I don't think it's an easy fix. As messy as I think it will get, FCA needs to man up and step into the modern world.EULA said:3. Ownership. This information, and all intellectual property rights in it (including
without limitation, copyright) are owned by Chrysler or one of its affiliates.
Other than the rights expressly granted to You by the license of Section 1 above,
You are not granted any right to any intellectual property of Chrysler or of its
affiliates, including but not limited to, trade secret, patent, copyright, or
trademark.
Out of curiosity I checked my manual. I've only been looking at the 2.9L stuff for my QV - and I HAVE seen many internal references to the 2.0L and have surfed OK to those pages... BUT -My Giulia service manual on CD arrived today. I can't find the 2.0 engine section. The 2.9 engine is there. I'm going to have to call and complain tomorrow. Probably send it back.
And it only works with IE, as expected.