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Is the same engine coolant product used to top up both the Engine Coolant Reservoir and the Intercoolant Coolant Reservoir (2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia)?
 

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Yes, 2017 Owners Manual, page 216:

"Topping Up / Draining / Flushing The Engine/Intercooler Coolant

If the engine coolant (antifreeze) is dirty, have cleaning and flushing carried out
at an authorized dealer. See the "Maintenance Plan" for the
correct servicing intervals.

Note: For topping up, use a fluid with the
same characteristics as those indicated in the "Fluids And
Lubricants" table (see "Technical Specifications" chapter).
Do not use pure water, alcohol-based coolants, corrosions
inhibitors or additional anti-rust products because they may be
incompatible with the engine coolant and cause the clogging of the radiator.
The use of propylene glycol-based coolant is also not recommended."

A single coolant is specified, meeting MS.90032 (p. 252-254)


Please note that there is confusion about the correct coolant. The coolant you can buy from Mopar should be PURPLE to be the correct type for the Giulia (and, yes, we know the current factory fill is Orange). See this thread:

http://www.giuliaforums.com/forum/778-alfa-romeo-giulia-issues-problems/32033-low-coolant-level.html
 

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That’s probably the “Owners Guide” then. You should have a full Owners Manual, if not, ask your dealer for one. You can also find it online as a .pdf.

https://www.alfaromeousa.com/owners/owners-service-manual
Alfa Crisis, kenalfa17:
I believe that it is called the USER GUIDE.
The manuals-guides-books that are available for the Giulia, but are not included in the new car delivery packet are available, in paper form, and pdf, for free, kind-of.
Follow link to thread.
http://www.giuliaforums.com/forum/778-alfa-romeo-giulia-issues-problems/30753-user-guide-owner-s-manual-information-entertainment-system-manual.html
 

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It seems that Alfa may have moved to the Fiat model. My 2013 Abarth came with the quick start guide and a DVD that REQUIRED the use of Adobe to read it. Since I don’t use Adobe, it was useless to me, but there was a phone number to call for paper manuals. It worked just fine. My 2017 had full, paper manuals...it seems the 2018’s do not.

For those who hate Adobe and its security issues, consider Foxit for .pdf viewing.
 

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It seems that Alfa may have moved to the Fiat model. My 2013 Abarth came with the quick start guide and a DVD that REQUIRED the use of Adobe to read it. Since I don’t use Adobe, it was useless to me, but there was a phone number to call for paper manuals. It worked just fine. My 2017 had full, paper manuals...it seems the 2018’s do not.

For those who hate Adobe and its security issues, consider Foxit for .pdf viewing.
Our MY18 Ti came with a User Manual, and a Quick Reference Guide.
I had to order the Owner's Manual and the Information and Entertainment System book.
See link in previous post for details.
 

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I have found the proper Fiat spec 9.55523 coolant in ORANGE.
Yes, it has the Fiat # on the label.
I am gathering a bit more info and will publish a thread in the next day, or two.
 

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Fiat spec 9.55523? Where are you finding that? The correct spec is MS.90032, which the Ravenol above does not meet. That Fiat spec is for Petronus Paraflu 11, which is an incompatible coolant. As best I can tell, the Paraflu 11 is a conventional antifreeze (ethylene glycol) for older cars only, not an HOAT or OAT fluid. Fiat spec 9.55523 matches MS.7170.

See the low coolant thread:

http://www.giuliaforums.com/forum/778-alfa-romeo-giulia-issues-problems/32033-low-coolant-level.html
AlfaCrisis, What I have found, is that the Chrysler antifreeze spec MS-90032 has changed to MS-12106. The Fiat Spec 9.55523 can be found on the All Fluids Spec Sheet supplied by MacGeek here (post #5):
http://www.giuliaforums.com/forum/810-oils-fluids-fuel-additives-lubrications/8386-faq-engine-oil-filter-oil-changes.html
All indications are that the factory fill on our Giulias is Petronas Paraflu UP, Fiat spec. 9.55523 and Chrysler spec. MS-12106. This is an OAT (organic additive technology) antifreeze. There is confusion with names and part numbers, in part because of the availability of pre-mix (50-50) and concentrate products, and the colors of the products. For example, the MOPAR OAT antifreeze that many Alfa Dealers have in stock, and are using on our Giulias, is purple. I have found antifreeze with both the correct Fiat and Chrysler MS #s in purple, green, yellow and orange. I am waiting on a couple email replies to complete an article on availability and costs.
These days it is VERY IMPORTANT to use the correct antifreeze in your vehicles. Below is an interesting article that explains why.
http://articles.sae.org/11284/
 

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AlfaCrisis, What I have found, is that the Chrysler antifreeze spec MS-90032 has changed to MS-12106. The Fiat Spec 9.55523 can be found on the All Fluids Spec Sheet supplied by MacGeek here (post #5):
http://www.giuliaforums.com/forum/810-oils-fluids-fuel-additives-lubrications/8386-faq-engine-oil-filter-oil-changes.html
All indications are that the factory fill on our Giulias is Petronas Paraflu UP, Fiat spec. 9.55523 and Chrysler spec. MS-12106. This is an OAT (organic additive technology) antifreeze. There is confusion with names and part numbers, in part because of the availability of pre-mix (50-50) and concentrate products, and the colors of the products. For example, the MOPAR OAT antifreeze that many Alfa Dealers have in stock, and are using on our Giulias, is purple. I have found antifreeze with both the correct Fiat and Chrysler MS #s in purple, green, yellow and orange. I am waiting on a couple email replies to complete an article on availability and costs.
These days it is VERY IMPORTANT to use the correct antifreeze in your vehicles. Below is an interesting article that explains why.
http://articles.sae.org/11284/
Andy, here's the problem. These two sheets both say meet Fiat Spec 9.55523...one is Paraflu UP and one is Paraflu 11, two completely incompatible products:

Paraflu UP sheet: https://extranetpli-eu.pli-petronas.com/dsp/pdf/eng/stec/1681_stec_ENG.pdf

Paraflu 11 sheet: https://extranetpli-eu.pli-petronas.com/dsp/pdf/eng/stec/1655_stec_ENG.pdf

Note that the 11 meets the Spec, but that the UP has a bunch of stuff after the spec and before the next comma...


Now, as for MS-12106 and MS-90032. All the lookups for MS-12106 point to an xxxxxxxxxAB coolant, which is an HOAT coolant and definately NOT for the Giulia. The Giulia is supposed to get an OAT coolant, with a xxxxxxxxxAA part number. @MacGeek, any help here?
 

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@AlfaCrisis, I agree, there is SOME conflicting information on the web about this topic, but, in my searches I have found overwhelming information that indicates that the factory fill Giulia antifreeze is an OAT product, that MS-12106 is an OAT product with a MOPAR part number of 68163849AA for 50/50 pre-mix and 48AA for concentrate. I have found the same for antifreeze labeled with the Fiat 9.55523 specification.
 

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@AlfaAndy, The 9.55523 spec seems to be a "yep, that's antifreeze of some sort" spec, so yea...

I agree that OAT vs HOAT is the answer, but all the MS-12106 produces that a web search generates seem to be AB products. If it's an AA product AND meets 12106, IDK.

For even more fun, check this out from "moparpartsgiant":

"Part No. 68163849AA
Part Description *ANTIFREEZ-COOLANT
Replaced By 68163849AB
Manufacturer Mopar. This genuine Mopar part is guaranteed by Mopar's factory warranty."

I KNOW that's not correct.
 

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@AlfaCrisis, why do you state that 68163848AB or AA is HOAT?
Everything that I see identifies it as OAT.
 

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@AlfaCrisis, why do you state that 68163848AB or AA is HOAT?
Everything that I see identifies it as OAT.
From this thread (http://www.giuliaforums.com/forum/778-alfa-romeo-giulia-issues-problems/32033-low-coolant-level-2.html):

Here's the fun note from the TSB for a few years ago: "NOTE: If OAT (MOPAR P/N 68163848AA Purple) has been Mixed with HOAT (MOPAR
P/N 68048953AB Pink Or Factory Fill HOAT Orange (Fig. 2) or (Fig. 3)) or any
other coolants have been mixed, it will be necessary to flush the cooling system."

OK, so having read that, you search the 68163848AA part number and keep getting jugs of coolant that meet MS.12106...so I have no freaking idea what the heck we should do now. The one clear fact is that the "AA" letters identify OAT coolant and the "AB" letters identify HOAT coolant, and never the twain should meet.
 

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@AlfaCrisis,
Perhaps it is time for this topic to take a leap of faith. IMO, there is overwhelming information that the antifreeze is an OAT product, that the current Chrysler spec is MS-12106, and the Fiat Spec. is 9.55523.
It is unfortunate and frustrating that our Owner's Manual / User Guide shows only an outdated MS number without a chemical description. To further confuse the situation, the Mopar antifreeze that most (all?) Alfa Dealerships distribute from their Parts counters and use in their Service bays is a different color (purple) than the orange that is factory installed in our Giulias. As I stated in an earlier post, I have found several brands of orange antifreeze that have either the correct Fiat or Chrysler specification on the bottles. I'm still waiting on a bit more information before I complete my post.
On a slightly different topic but the same vein, our Owner's Manual / User Guide shows a Chrysler spec MS-13340 for the 0W-30 engine oil. Have fun researching that one!
 

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@AlfaAndy, the one hard data point we have is that @ALFATECH has confirmed the correct Mopar coolant is purple...beyond that, this is crap, as you say. I am concerned about MS-12106, because that is the spec on the OLD orange/US Mopar HOAT that may gel our coolant.
 

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I am very interested in finding out what coolant we should be using. Thanks for the information guys.
 
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