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Drove my first Quadrifoglio yesterday

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The Giulia QV caught my eye when it was first released.. Since 2017, Ive been driving my M2 and loving it, but Ive always had my eye on that Alfa. Stories and accounts of reliability issues always kept me away, but I couldnt get the reports of its sublime handling and awesome engine out of my mind. So a recent online search turned up a gorgeous brand new '23 Ocra colored Giulia at a dealer an hour away, so yesterday I went to see it, and they let me drive it! I was blown away. Ive only owned manual transmission BMW M cars since 1999, and this was a totally different experience. First thing I noticed was the steering. Not heavy and dull like the bimmers, but light, direct, and accurate. Second was that sublime engine note. Third was the raw power. The sales guy had me come to a stop, floor it, and then brake as hard as I could.. WOW. The power/boost doesnt really hit til ~3k rpms, but when it does, batten down the hatches. What a beast. Third was the transmission. I hadnt driven an automatic since the days when it was rightly called a slushbox.. This was so different.. Shifts were snappy whether I was upshifting or downshifting, manually or automatically.. Either way, I loved it. Fourth was that tri coat Ocra.. When the sun hits it, its unlike anything else.

But, alas, I didnt buy it.. I came real close, but there were some problems with the deal, and, I decided to wait for the 2024s. They werent taking deposits on them because they didnt have enough info, but I signed up for a slot once they get more info.. There even seems to be some question as to whether there even will be a 2024 model released or available, at least in the USA. That seems surprising given all the references to it on line, and major publications showing pictures and so on. So, Im taking a gamble. The Ocra '23 had been driven over a curb and the underside of the front carbon fiber splitter was badly scraped. Also, while not technically a demo, it was used to give test drives in, which in my mind, makes it less than brand new.. I know Im being picky, but I got some bad vibes from the dealership itself.. The deal he offered me wasnt terrible, but wasnt quite what I was led to believe from the website which advertised $5000 off, which turned out not to be the case at all. So, I wound up going to an Alfa/Ferrari dealer closer to home, which was a much nicer dealership, didnt bs me, and Im taking my chances there of being able to get a '24.

I really hope I dont regret not taking the Ocra one.. It was stunning, and the adage 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' didnt go unthought of.. Still, had I bought the '23 and the 24's did come out, I wouldnt have been happy.. Same thing happened to my M2 purchase. It was an LCI 2018 model, and next year, the M2 Competition was released, so I kind of wanted to avoid a repeat.

So, thats my saga. Im so impressed with this car and hope to be joining you lucky owners soon. Fingers crossed that they really do produce and release them to the USA.
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To me what you just described is what sells in today`s market. I do really believe the next generation QV will be more like the G80 than the old QV.
More like i4 M50 you ment?
More like i4 M50 you ment?
It will be faster, softer, and bigger. The things that people here currently have a problem with BMW. It will be more like the current BMW M cars regardless of it being electric or not. Alfa wants to sell cars and that`s what sells.

So if you want a driver focused more car enthusiastic type of car. The current QV might be the ticket.
But you gotta understand the G80 (and all the German competitors) sells better than the QV for a reason. While the Alfa may have more ideal driving dynamic it lacks in other areas that people care about. I know for me the G80 is bigger and more comfortable. This may alone sway people to the BMW. And one more thing, I can promise you the G80 feels a lot more than 1% faster regardless of lap times. Lap times is something most buyers probably don`t pay attention to anyways. The problem I find on car forums is that people like yourself really have a hard time putting themselves in the mind of the average car buyer. Most people buying these M cars want a fast and cool car, and that`s it. My boss drives a brand new BMW M8. He ask me all the time to remind him how much power his car has because he forgets. All he knows is that the car looks great, sounds great and feel fast. He`s also in his 30s so he`s not some random older dude who is out of touch. Which is why I will always default recommended BMW over Alfa for the common buyer. Now your probably thinking who cares what the common or average car buyer thinks. Alfa will not stay in business with uncompetitive cars.
You make some good points about the typical buyers, but answer the question when did Alfa Romeo ever produce cars that were designed to appeal to a lower common denominator? Answer, never.
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I wouldn’t expect anything great from Alfa again. The tonale tells you what direction the brand is going. ⬇. With Sergio went the brand. The QV will be Alfas last pure drivers car. Imagine the gremlins an electric Alfa would have smh. The only shot imo is to go hybrid like SF90.
Wow how many times have we heard that over the decades?
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You make some good points about the typical buyers, but answer the question when did Alfa Romeo ever produce cars that were designed to appeal to a lower common denominator? Answer, never.
You guys act like BMW M cars, Audi RS, and AMG are like terrible driving cars or something. These are not "lower common denominator" type buyers. Sure some of them want a cool and fast car, but a lot of them are also real enthusiasts.

To answer your question. I would say with the introduction of the stelvio was when Alfa made a car for the masses. Just take notice who is driving these cars every time you pass one on the road. Now we have the Tonale... Its clear where the brand is going.

Alfa Romeo is turning into a mass market BMW type of car brand. Where they sell non enthusiast models but also have cars like the QV. I think its actually a smart move by them and you will see sales increase in the coming years.
Wow how many times have we heard that over the decades?
And how many times have sales been terrible? Every year. Service. Sales It’s just not sustainable at this point.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy to see Alfa succeed, especially with the Giorgio platform and the remarkable 4C. But I still see them as a niche brand. That's what I meant by LCD. The closest I believe they ever came to an ordinary mass appeal car was maybe the Arna. Thankfully that was short-lived.
Nope, it's Apple. Tesla is behind Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc....
You do realize I said car company right?
But you gotta understand the G80 (and all the German competitors) sells better than the QV for a reason. While the Alfa may have more ideal driving dynamic it lacks in other areas that people care about. I know for me the G80 is bigger and more comfortable. This may alone sway people to the BMW.

And one more thing, I can promise you the G80 feels a lot more than 1% faster regardless of lap times. Lap times is something most buyers probably don`t pay attention to anyways. The problem I find on car forums is that people like yourself really have a hard time putting themselves in the mind of the average car buyer. Most people buying these M cars want a fast and cool car, and that`s it. My boss drives a brand new BMW M8. He ask me all the time to remind him how much power his car has because he forgets. All he knows is that the car looks great, sounds great and feel fast. He`s also in his 30s so he`s not some random older dude who is out of touch. Which is why I will always default recommended BMW over Alfa for the common buyer.

Now your probably thinking who cares what the common or average car buyer thinks. Alfa will not stay in business with uncompetitive cars.
At no time did you make any sense. I award you zero points and may God have mercy on your soul.
First impressions are everything.
Alfa dealers sitting next to nasty dodges was a big turn off for me. The bmw dealer was nice and offered me bagels, and there was an air of smugness. The Alfa dealer offered me coffee in a cold office area that was small and the sales associates screamed "I sell 'merica cars!"
One test drive between the two though was enough for me. Yes the Alfa feels smaller but not from the front seat and if it does it is almost in a good way. The bmw felt more like a sports sedan than a coupe with four doors.
Also I don't want to be a bmw clone. There enough drones out there. My car doesn't look as sharp as it did to me a few years ago but I still like it better than the new m3 design. Not saying theirs is bad but it isn't sexy at all. Nope.
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Completely agree. In addition, and this is somewhat subjective, their design language has gone off the rails. When I saw that the G87 M2 would not have the giant beaver teeth, I was much relieved.. However, then I saw how they totally ruined what was generally heralded as a beautiful while aggressive design in the F87 by trying to give it a modern interpretation of the E30 series, which in my view, failed miserably. And theyve apparently given up any thought of a light tossable car at 3800 lbs; Hell, its as heavy as the M3 now. To me it looks like a kit car after raiding the m performance parts bin. Slapped on plastics, bulges which arent coherent, etc. Anybody seen Frank Stephenson's (car designer extraordinaire) commentary on the current 2 series in general?

So, I started considering the G80/82 series.. . Went to look at and, yikes, it's gotten huge or is that my imagination.. So aside from the beaver teeth, its now HUGE; 189" long. And heavy.

Mechanically, the steering is as heavy and dull as ever. The sound isnt great, but yes, its very fast on a track.. Oh yea, the interior is pretty and it has good tech.. but as a driver's car, I dont think it compares very well with the QV.
Lol I loved this. Your should write car reviews.
You do realize I said car company right?
Nope, apparently I missed that. My mistake.
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At no time did you make any sense. I award you zero points and may God have mercy on your soul.
First impressions are everything.
Alfa dealers sitting next to nasty dodges was a big turn off for me. The bmw dealer was nice and offered me bagels, and there was an air of smugness. The Alfa dealer offered me coffee in a cold office area that was small and the sales associates screamed "I sell 'merica cars!"
One test drive between the two though was enough for me. Yes the Alfa feels smaller but not from the front seat and if it does it is almost in a good way. The bmw felt more like a sports sedan than a coupe with four doors.
Also I don't want to be a bmw clone. There enough drones out there. My car doesn't look as sharp as it did to me a few years ago but I still like it better than the new m3 design. Not saying theirs is bad but it isn't sexy at all. Nope.
You know, I said that a couple of years ago and some people here just don't get this. I agree 100% with you. Comparing the BMW dealer across the street from the Alfa dealer here in San Jose is hilarious. I'm surprised they're sold as many Alfas as they have frankly...
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You know, I said that a couple of years ago and some people here just don't get this. I agree 100% with you. Comparing the BMW dealer across the street from the Alfa dealer here in San Jose is hilarious. I'm surprised they're sold as many Alfas as they have frankly...
It goes beyond BMW. Audi dealerships are amazing. Mercedes and Lexus seem better than Alfa as well. You should see the setup they have at my local Alfa dealership located in the a downtown suburb area of the wealthiest area in my state.
You guys act like BMW M cars, Audi RS, and AMG are like terrible driving cars or something. These are not "lower common denominator" type buyers. Sure some of them want a cool and fast car, but a lot of them are also real enthusiasts.
But the differentiation here is that most of those cars have become less driver focused, while Alfa leading the pack. On the flip side, you tout the "lowest common denominator" features of those brands as reasons they sell. Well yes, that's right!

You can't have it both ways. You either acknowledge that Alfa caters to a smaller market and will sell less, or you don't. If you acknowledge this, you can't spin around and say you're an enthusiast who prefers the less-enthusiast cars for less-enthusiast reasons.
You know, I said that a couple of years ago and some people here just don't get this. I agree 100% with you. Comparing the BMW dealer across the street from the Alfa dealer here in San Jose is hilarious. I'm surprised they're sold as many Alfas as they have frankly...
It's not that simple. Alfas sell alongside different brands. Sometimes it's Dodge or Fiat and they are mixed with downmarket cars. At other dealers, they sell with Maseratis or other high-end makes, and the Alfa brand is the least-premium offered at the dealership.
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At no time did you make any sense. I award you zero points and may God have mercy on your soul.
First impressions are everything.
Alfa dealers sitting next to nasty dodges was a big turn off for me. The bmw dealer was nice and offered me bagels, and there was an air of smugness. The Alfa dealer offered me coffee in a cold office area that was small and the sales associates screamed "I sell 'merica cars!"
One test drive between the two though was enough for me. Yes the Alfa feels smaller but not from the front seat and if it does it is almost in a good way. The bmw felt more like a sports sedan than a coupe with four doors.
Also I don't want to be a bmw clone. There enough drones out there. My car doesn't look as sharp as it did to me a few years ago but I still like it better than the new m3 design. Not saying theirs is bad but it isn't sexy at all. Nope.
The Alfa dealer I would use for the the '24 is also the Ferrari dealer.. Certainly no lack of panache in THAT showroom!
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But the differentiation here is that most of those cars have become less driver focused, while Alfa leading the pack. On the flip side, you tout the "lowest common denominator" features of those brands as reasons they sell. Well yes, that's right!

You can't have it both ways. You either acknowledge that Alfa caters to a smaller market and will sell less, or you don't. If you acknowledge this, you can't spin around and say you're an enthusiast who prefers the less-enthusiast cars for less-enthusiast reasons.
Everyone does realize Alfa does not want to cater to a smaller market right? Sales have never been as good as they wanted from day one. They want to sell more and be more mainstream. Alfa wants to be a BMW.

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Everyone does realize Alfa does not want to cater to a smaller market right? Sales have never been as good as they wanted from day one. They want to sell more and be more mainstream. Alfa wants to be a BMW.

Explain how it is, if its quality is so 'abysmal', that it tops the jdpower customer satisfaction surveys? If it leaves you stranded in the rain enough times, I dont care how great it is to drive, youre not going to be too satisfied


Never mind.. I misread.. This is a 'SALES SATISFACTION' survey which apparently refers to how its price is perceived in the market place and I dont think has anything to do with customer satisfaction overall. I wanted to delete the post but I dont see how.. And for that, Im not satisfied:rolleyes:
Explain how it is, if its quality is so 'abysmal', that it tops the jdpower customer satisfaction surveys? If it leaves you stranded in the rain enough times, I dont care how great it is to drive, youre not going to be too satisfied

If you actually read the article its more about brand perception than it is about actual data from owners. Its about the people who didn`t buy a Alfa Romeo that they are more worried about. I do think most people who buy a Alfa Romeo end up really like the brand and car.
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If you read my addendum, you'll see that I misread the survey to read 'Customer' satisfaction instead of what it was, 'Sales' satisfaction having nothing to do with overall Customer satisfaction.. Sadly, the real customer satisfaction numbers arent nearly as good. Unfortunately, a lot of press has also misconstrued the Sales Satisfaction survey as a Customer Satisfaction survey.. Think the similarity was coincidental? Purposely confusing?
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