More like i4 M50 you ment?
More like i4 M50 you ment?To me what you just described is what sells in today`s market. I do really believe the next generation QV will be more like the G80 than the old QV.
It will be faster, softer, and bigger. The things that people here currently have a problem with BMW. It will be more like the current BMW M cars regardless of it being electric or not. Alfa wants to sell cars and that`s what sells.More like i4 M50 you ment?
You make some good points about the typical buyers, but answer the question when did Alfa Romeo ever produce cars that were designed to appeal to a lower common denominator? Answer, never.But you gotta understand the G80 (and all the German competitors) sells better than the QV for a reason. While the Alfa may have more ideal driving dynamic it lacks in other areas that people care about. I know for me the G80 is bigger and more comfortable. This may alone sway people to the BMW. And one more thing, I can promise you the G80 feels a lot more than 1% faster regardless of lap times. Lap times is something most buyers probably don`t pay attention to anyways. The problem I find on car forums is that people like yourself really have a hard time putting themselves in the mind of the average car buyer. Most people buying these M cars want a fast and cool car, and that`s it. My boss drives a brand new BMW M8. He ask me all the time to remind him how much power his car has because he forgets. All he knows is that the car looks great, sounds great and feel fast. He`s also in his 30s so he`s not some random older dude who is out of touch. Which is why I will always default recommended BMW over Alfa for the common buyer. Now your probably thinking who cares what the common or average car buyer thinks. Alfa will not stay in business with uncompetitive cars.
Wow how many times have we heard that over the decades?I wouldn’t expect anything great from Alfa again. The tonale tells you what direction the brand is going. ⬇. With Sergio went the brand. The QV will be Alfas last pure drivers car. Imagine the gremlins an electric Alfa would have smh. The only shot imo is to go hybrid like SF90.
You guys act like BMW M cars, Audi RS, and AMG are like terrible driving cars or something. These are not "lower common denominator" type buyers. Sure some of them want a cool and fast car, but a lot of them are also real enthusiasts.You make some good points about the typical buyers, but answer the question when did Alfa Romeo ever produce cars that were designed to appeal to a lower common denominator? Answer, never.
And how many times have sales been terrible? Every year. Service. Sales It’s just not sustainable at this point.Wow how many times have we heard that over the decades?
You do realize I said car company right?Nope, it's Apple. Tesla is behind Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc....
At no time did you make any sense. I award you zero points and may God have mercy on your soul.But you gotta understand the G80 (and all the German competitors) sells better than the QV for a reason. While the Alfa may have more ideal driving dynamic it lacks in other areas that people care about. I know for me the G80 is bigger and more comfortable. This may alone sway people to the BMW.
And one more thing, I can promise you the G80 feels a lot more than 1% faster regardless of lap times. Lap times is something most buyers probably don`t pay attention to anyways. The problem I find on car forums is that people like yourself really have a hard time putting themselves in the mind of the average car buyer. Most people buying these M cars want a fast and cool car, and that`s it. My boss drives a brand new BMW M8. He ask me all the time to remind him how much power his car has because he forgets. All he knows is that the car looks great, sounds great and feel fast. He`s also in his 30s so he`s not some random older dude who is out of touch. Which is why I will always default recommended BMW over Alfa for the common buyer.
Now your probably thinking who cares what the common or average car buyer thinks. Alfa will not stay in business with uncompetitive cars.
Lol I loved this. Your should write car reviews.Completely agree. In addition, and this is somewhat subjective, their design language has gone off the rails. When I saw that the G87 M2 would not have the giant beaver teeth, I was much relieved.. However, then I saw how they totally ruined what was generally heralded as a beautiful while aggressive design in the F87 by trying to give it a modern interpretation of the E30 series, which in my view, failed miserably. And theyve apparently given up any thought of a light tossable car at 3800 lbs; Hell, its as heavy as the M3 now. To me it looks like a kit car after raiding the m performance parts bin. Slapped on plastics, bulges which arent coherent, etc. Anybody seen Frank Stephenson's (car designer extraordinaire) commentary on the current 2 series in general?
So, I started considering the G80/82 series.. . Went to look at and, yikes, it's gotten huge or is that my imagination.. So aside from the beaver teeth, its now HUGE; 189" long. And heavy.
Mechanically, the steering is as heavy and dull as ever. The sound isnt great, but yes, its very fast on a track.. Oh yea, the interior is pretty and it has good tech.. but as a driver's car, I dont think it compares very well with the QV.
Nope, apparently I missed that. My mistake.You do realize I said car company right?
You know, I said that a couple of years ago and some people here just don't get this. I agree 100% with you. Comparing the BMW dealer across the street from the Alfa dealer here in San Jose is hilarious. I'm surprised they're sold as many Alfas as they have frankly...At no time did you make any sense. I award you zero points and may God have mercy on your soul.
First impressions are everything.
Alfa dealers sitting next to nasty dodges was a big turn off for me. The bmw dealer was nice and offered me bagels, and there was an air of smugness. The Alfa dealer offered me coffee in a cold office area that was small and the sales associates screamed "I sell 'merica cars!"
One test drive between the two though was enough for me. Yes the Alfa feels smaller but not from the front seat and if it does it is almost in a good way. The bmw felt more like a sports sedan than a coupe with four doors.
Also I don't want to be a bmw clone. There enough drones out there. My car doesn't look as sharp as it did to me a few years ago but I still like it better than the new m3 design. Not saying theirs is bad but it isn't sexy at all. Nope.
It goes beyond BMW. Audi dealerships are amazing. Mercedes and Lexus seem better than Alfa as well. You should see the setup they have at my local Alfa dealership located in the a downtown suburb area of the wealthiest area in my state.You know, I said that a couple of years ago and some people here just don't get this. I agree 100% with you. Comparing the BMW dealer across the street from the Alfa dealer here in San Jose is hilarious. I'm surprised they're sold as many Alfas as they have frankly...
But the differentiation here is that most of those cars have become less driver focused, while Alfa leading the pack. On the flip side, you tout the "lowest common denominator" features of those brands as reasons they sell. Well yes, that's right!You guys act like BMW M cars, Audi RS, and AMG are like terrible driving cars or something. These are not "lower common denominator" type buyers. Sure some of them want a cool and fast car, but a lot of them are also real enthusiasts.
It's not that simple. Alfas sell alongside different brands. Sometimes it's Dodge or Fiat and they are mixed with downmarket cars. At other dealers, they sell with Maseratis or other high-end makes, and the Alfa brand is the least-premium offered at the dealership.You know, I said that a couple of years ago and some people here just don't get this. I agree 100% with you. Comparing the BMW dealer across the street from the Alfa dealer here in San Jose is hilarious. I'm surprised they're sold as many Alfas as they have frankly...
The Alfa dealer I would use for the the '24 is also the Ferrari dealer.. Certainly no lack of panache in THAT showroom!At no time did you make any sense. I award you zero points and may God have mercy on your soul.
First impressions are everything.
Alfa dealers sitting next to nasty dodges was a big turn off for me. The bmw dealer was nice and offered me bagels, and there was an air of smugness. The Alfa dealer offered me coffee in a cold office area that was small and the sales associates screamed "I sell 'merica cars!"
One test drive between the two though was enough for me. Yes the Alfa feels smaller but not from the front seat and if it does it is almost in a good way. The bmw felt more like a sports sedan than a coupe with four doors.
Also I don't want to be a bmw clone. There enough drones out there. My car doesn't look as sharp as it did to me a few years ago but I still like it better than the new m3 design. Not saying theirs is bad but it isn't sexy at all. Nope.
Everyone does realize Alfa does not want to cater to a smaller market right? Sales have never been as good as they wanted from day one. They want to sell more and be more mainstream. Alfa wants to be a BMW.But the differentiation here is that most of those cars have become less driver focused, while Alfa leading the pack. On the flip side, you tout the "lowest common denominator" features of those brands as reasons they sell. Well yes, that's right!
You can't have it both ways. You either acknowledge that Alfa caters to a smaller market and will sell less, or you don't. If you acknowledge this, you can't spin around and say you're an enthusiast who prefers the less-enthusiast cars for less-enthusiast reasons.
Explain how it is, if its quality is so 'abysmal', that it tops the jdpower customer satisfaction surveys? If it leaves you stranded in the rain enough times, I dont care how great it is to drive, youre not going to be too satisfiedEveryone does realize Alfa does not want to cater to a smaller market right? Sales have never been as good as they wanted from day one. They want to sell more and be more mainstream. Alfa wants to be a BMW.
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Alfa Romeo’s Slow Sales Limited By “Sporty Image” Says Spokesman For Brand With Abysmal Quality Reputation | Carscoops
UK boss says Alfa will move away from relying on emotional appeal to snare more rational buyerswww.carscoops.com
If you actually read the article its more about brand perception than it is about actual data from owners. Its about the people who didn`t buy a Alfa Romeo that they are more worried about. I do think most people who buy a Alfa Romeo end up really like the brand and car.Explain how it is, if its quality is so 'abysmal', that it tops the jdpower customer satisfaction surveys? If it leaves you stranded in the rain enough times, I dont care how great it is to drive, youre not going to be too satisfied
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Alfa Romeo Tops J.D. Power Sales Satisfaction Index Study
J.D. Power says that the index for fairness of price has been declining steadily in the last several years.www.motor1.com