Alfa Romeo Giulia Forum banner

Drove my first Quadrifoglio yesterday

5516 Views 155 Replies 28 Participants Last post by  Mspider
The Giulia QV caught my eye when it was first released.. Since 2017, Ive been driving my M2 and loving it, but Ive always had my eye on that Alfa. Stories and accounts of reliability issues always kept me away, but I couldnt get the reports of its sublime handling and awesome engine out of my mind. So a recent online search turned up a gorgeous brand new '23 Ocra colored Giulia at a dealer an hour away, so yesterday I went to see it, and they let me drive it! I was blown away. Ive only owned manual transmission BMW M cars since 1999, and this was a totally different experience. First thing I noticed was the steering. Not heavy and dull like the bimmers, but light, direct, and accurate. Second was that sublime engine note. Third was the raw power. The sales guy had me come to a stop, floor it, and then brake as hard as I could.. WOW. The power/boost doesnt really hit til ~3k rpms, but when it does, batten down the hatches. What a beast. Third was the transmission. I hadnt driven an automatic since the days when it was rightly called a slushbox.. This was so different.. Shifts were snappy whether I was upshifting or downshifting, manually or automatically.. Either way, I loved it. Fourth was that tri coat Ocra.. When the sun hits it, its unlike anything else.

But, alas, I didnt buy it.. I came real close, but there were some problems with the deal, and, I decided to wait for the 2024s. They werent taking deposits on them because they didnt have enough info, but I signed up for a slot once they get more info.. There even seems to be some question as to whether there even will be a 2024 model released or available, at least in the USA. That seems surprising given all the references to it on line, and major publications showing pictures and so on. So, Im taking a gamble. The Ocra '23 had been driven over a curb and the underside of the front carbon fiber splitter was badly scraped. Also, while not technically a demo, it was used to give test drives in, which in my mind, makes it less than brand new.. I know Im being picky, but I got some bad vibes from the dealership itself.. The deal he offered me wasnt terrible, but wasnt quite what I was led to believe from the website which advertised $5000 off, which turned out not to be the case at all. So, I wound up going to an Alfa/Ferrari dealer closer to home, which was a much nicer dealership, didnt bs me, and Im taking my chances there of being able to get a '24.

I really hope I dont regret not taking the Ocra one.. It was stunning, and the adage 'a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush' didnt go unthought of.. Still, had I bought the '23 and the 24's did come out, I wouldnt have been happy.. Same thing happened to my M2 purchase. It was an LCI 2018 model, and next year, the M2 Competition was released, so I kind of wanted to avoid a repeat.

So, thats my saga. Im so impressed with this car and hope to be joining you lucky owners soon. Fingers crossed that they really do produce and release them to the USA.
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 5
1 - 20 of 156 Posts
I'm from the E-chassis school of BMW so very few cars impress me handling-wise, especially F/G chassis BMWs. However the F87 M2 has been one of the exceptions and I love that car. The Giulia QV is one of the finest cars I've ever driven, better than even the M2. I think the steering is perfect, not too light, just the right amount of resistance. The only cars that can really compete are dedicated light sports cars like the 911 and supercars.

But reliability and horrid residuals/lease figures scare me away. There's dudes out there having to lemon 2021 model year cars. Probably one of the most unreliable cars on the market.
  • Like
Reactions: 2
I'm from the E-chassis school of BMW so very few cars impress me handling-wise, especially F/G chassis BMWs. However the F87 M2 has been one of the exceptions and I love that car. The Giulia QV is one of the finest cars I've ever driven, better than even the M2. I think the steering is perfect, not too light, just the right amount of resistance. The only cars that can really compete are dedicated light sports cars like the 911 and supercars.

But reliability and horrid residuals/lease figures scare me away. There's dudes out there having to lemon 2021 model year cars. Probably one of the most unreliable cars on the market.
Lease Residuals dont bother me much as Im a cash buyer. But those lemon comments are scary.. And yet after having gone through all the problems threads, there seem to be many thoroughly happy 40k+ mile owners who are happy and have had no more than the normal 'teething' problems common to new performance cars. My F87 M2 had its share of issues during the first couple of years as well, yet if I cant get a QV I'll likely be into a G87 M2 or an M3. None of these performance cars are totally free of issues it seems. I guess youd have to call this a risk/reward situation, and hope that the one you get falls into the latter category.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
I would only buy a 2017-2019 at a good price $40k range. Otherwise I think you’ll be disappointed
I would only buy a 2017-2019 at a good price $40k range. Otherwise I think you’ll be disappointed
Im shopping new and hopefully a '24.. Why would I be disappointed?
Im shopping new and hopefully a '24.. Why would I be disappointed?
The steering has changed in newer
Models. Not as light or crisp. Plus this car is 2016 technology still and had a good run. Currently it doesn’t stack up for the $80-90k imo
  • Like
Reactions: 2
i'd definitely choose a newer model. of course the older ones are cheaper, but nobody knows how they have been treated before.
The entertainment system is much better in the MY2020+, the 2020+ interior looks more classy and AFAIK you still don't have PPF in the US.

I was at this point last year, owning a fast RS3 since 9/2019 and looking to something special. Looked at the M3, more or less the same price, but the techy style didn't touch me. The older 2017-2020 QVs were no option for me because I looked for a brand new car, I don't buy used cars normally.

Comparing a 2023 to 2024 model I would probably choose an anniversary series if available in the US because of the uniqueness, otherwise take the 2024. Even when I wouldn't be really satisfied about the virtual cockpit, but anyway.
BTW the steering is very light and very very direct compared to my RS3. Needed some time to deal with it TBH
  • Like
Reactions: 1
i'd definitely choose a newer model. of course the older ones are cheaper, but nobody knows how they have been treated before.
The entertainment system is much better in the MY2020+, the 2020+ interior looks more classy and AFAIK you still don't have PPF in the US.

I was at this point last year, owning a fast RS3 since 9/2019 and looking to something special. Looked at the M3, more or less the same price, but the techy style didn't touch me. The older 2017-2020 QVs were no option for me because I looked for a brand new car, I don't buy used cars normally.

Comparing a 2023 to 2024 model I would probably choose an anniversary series if available in the US because of the uniqueness, otherwise take the 2024. Even when I wouldn't be really satisfied about the virtual cockpit, but anyway.
BTW the steering is very light and very very direct compared to my RS3. Needed some time to deal with it TBH
i ended up with a MY 2019 in 2021. Used to have the same stigma that you mentioned (dont typically buy used cars), but in 2023, you cant get the good stitching options, no carbon ceramic brakes, and from 2020 or 2021 and onward, i don't like how the window glass is reinforced to deaden sound and the steering feel is muted. maybe an 2017 is not a great idea because first year production of high performance cars seem to have the most issues (look at the new Corvette Z06 and the fact that at least 6 flat plane crank engines have already grenaded), and then you have MY 2018 had the odd ride height. I would strongly suggest a 2019 or possibly 2020 if you're really much that big of a stickler for the interior. FWIW I sat in an 2021 and it didnt feel like a tremendous upgrade from an interior standpoint over my MY2019.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
I would only buy a 2017-2019 at a good price $40k range. Otherwise I think you’ll be disappointed
Just giving a honest opinion and not trying to offend anyone. But I personally would never consider a 40k QV. Maybe I would consider a slightly used one but one that is out of warranty just isn`t for me. Plus I have driven older ones and between the wear and tear and non updated interior its not that great of a place to be.

I don`t think its crazy at all to buy a new QV. It has class leading driving dynamics.
  • Like
  • Helpful
Reactions: 5
but in 2023, you cant get the good stitching options, no carbon ceramic brakes
Probably the DE configurator is different to US configurator. My 10/2022 QV has CCB and green/white stitching, but AFAIK the stitchings are only available with the (awesome!) SPARCO seats. And these options are still available in the config as I saw last week.

but I don't have colored stitchings at the doors what's really sad. Was and still is not available any more.
The steering has changed in newer
Models. Not as light or crisp. Plus this car is 2016 technology still and had a good run. Currently it doesn’t stack up for the $80-90k imo
You’re not supposed to mention the steering changes in the ‘20+ models…
  • Like
Reactions: 1
The steering has changed in newer
Models. Not as light or crisp. Plus this car is 2016 technology still and had a good run. Currently it doesn’t stack up for the $80-90k imo
OP test drove a '23 and enjoyed it, so this is kind of a moot point.

I haven't heard about these lemons. Alfa updated the engine in 2020 to have port and DI injection. At this point, reliability should be the best it's been considering they've been making these cars since 2016.

As for options, we don't know yet what will be available on the '24 quads.
  • Like
Reactions: 3
You’re not supposed to mention the steering changes in the ‘20+ models…
I dont know about steering 'changes' as the only thing I can compare it to is BMWs.. All I know is the new '23 I just drove felt wonderful.. Best steering I ever felt on a car.
  • Like
Reactions: 4
I dont know about steering 'changes' as the only thing I can compare it to is BMWs.. All I know is the new '23 I just drove felt wonderful.. Best steering I ever felt on a car.
Exactly. I owned a 2018 QF and now drive a 2020 QF. Did the steering change, seems like there's enough suspicion to say they altered something. Can you feel it? I tracked the 2018 and track my 2020, I'd bet money in back to back blind testing only a professional driver would maybe notice something. I sure don't sense a difference that would make me run back to a 2018.
  • Like
  • Helpful
Reactions: 4
Just giving a honest opinion and not trying to offend anyone. But I personally would never consider a 40k QV. Maybe I would consider a slightly used one but one that is out of warranty just isn`t for me. Plus I have driven older ones and between the wear and tear and non updated interior its not that great of a place to be.

I don`t think its crazy at all to buy a new QV. It has class leading driving dynamics.
A used one is worth $40 and new one is worth $50 in a year. I personally would buy used and the money saved would be appreciated in 2 years.
  • Like
Reactions: 1
A used one is worth $40 and new one is worth $50 in a year. I personally would buy used and the money saved would be appreciated in 2 years.
What he said.

In 2021, I bought a low mileage 2017 used and the only options that mattered to me were adaptive cruise control and CCBs. I wanted apple carplay but that only came with the 2018s+ along with a higher stance so I figured I'd aftermarket TheCarPlayer or ENGCustom. The CCBs were important because I hate seeing rust on the hubs - a common occurrence even in high end cars.

Alfa's tech upgrade in 2020 still isn't up to par with the equivalent Germans so I wasn't much lured by it and the $40k I saved was certainly worth the money. Also, Alfa hasn't released too many updates or special editions unlike its competitors (Competizione, RS,Aanniversary etc) so I figured buy, drive and enjoy. NE seems to have rather slim pickings given the best deals and variety per cars.com are to be had on the West coast.
  • Like
Reactions: 3
Definitely not a big deal, but one thing they ought to upgrade is their carplay/android auto interface. Doesnt it still use a wired interface instead of wireless like all the competition?
as a BMW M lifer, have had em all except an M1.....
I can honestly say that my MY 17 QV was head & shoulders better than my last M3 (F80) in any performance metric..
Having driven the new G in RWD & AWD not too long ago, I can honestly say the performance gap is gone, especially with the AWD...that said...it ONLY took BMW 6 years to catch up :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: AND for Alfa not to do a freaking thing to upgrade the QV....
ironically the best of the G M3 cars has the same ZF gearbox as the QV.....just sayin;)
the cars are reliable....it's the dealer network that blows....I had my selling dealer want to help lemon the car and get me a new one OR my money back 2 months into new ownership....my servicing dealer (Miller Motors) diagnosed & FIXED the broken part in 48 hours and the car has been FLAWLESS since....that includes multiple track days at different tracks, long road trips, the occasional terrorizing of NYC streets and some light daily duty.
IF You don't have a competent dealer to bring your car too, then I've always said since day 1 , don't buy the car.
See less See more
  • Like
Reactions: 5
as a BMW M lifer, have had em all except an M1.....
I can honestly say that my MY 17 QV was head & shoulders better than my last M3 (F80) in any performance metric..
Having driven the new G in RWD & AWD not too long ago, I can honestly say the performance gap is gone, especially with the AWD...that said...it ONLY took BMW 6 years to catch up :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: AND for Alfa not to do a freaking thing to upgrade the QV....
ironically the best of the G M3 cars has the same ZF gearbox as the QV.....just sayin;)
the cars are reliable....it's the dealer network that blows....I had my selling dealer want to help lemon the car and get me a new one OR my money back 2 months into new ownership....my servicing dealer (Miller Motors) diagnosed & FIXED the broken part in 48 hours and the car has been FLAWLESS since....that includes multiple track days at different tracks, long road trips, the occasional terrorizing of NYC streets and some light daily duty.
IF You don't have a competent dealer to bring your car too, then I've always said since day 1 , don't buy the car.
I agree that the G series bimmers made up ground, but, with them, you still have significantly larger car and slightly longer wheelbase, and you still have that numb, heavy steering. I also find the Alfa exhaust note to be better, but that's highly subjective.
  • Like
Reactions: 2
as a BMW M lifer, have had em all except an M1.....
I can honestly say that my MY 17 QV was head & shoulders better than my last M3 (F80) in any performance metric..
Having driven the new G in RWD & AWD not too long ago, I can honestly say the performance gap is gone, especially with the AWD...that said...it ONLY took BMW 6 years to catch up :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: AND for Alfa not to do a freaking thing to upgrade the QV....
ironically the best of the G M3 cars has the same ZF gearbox as the QV.....just sayin;)
the cars are reliable....it's the dealer network that blows....I had my selling dealer want to help lemon the car and get me a new one OR my money back 2 months into new ownership....my servicing dealer (Miller Motors) diagnosed & FIXED the broken part in 48 hours and the car has been FLAWLESS since....that includes multiple track days at different tracks, long road trips, the occasional terrorizing of NYC streets and some light daily duty.
IF You don't have a competent dealer to bring your car too, then I've always said since day 1 , don't buy the car.
The new G80 is king no question about it. The fact you can get AWD now is also amazing. This is the best car in this segment. But the QV is still faster than the RS5 and has around the same power levels as the V8 C 63 AMG. The G80 does kind of standalone in terms of performance compared to the rest. You also get a much better dealer network.

The Alfa overall is just a more unique for a certain type of buyer. If we only bought cars based on performance numbers all of us would be saving our money to buy a Model S plaid.
  • Like
Reactions: 2
1 - 20 of 156 Posts
Top