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I have something like that in mind.
How is it mounted, directly to the windshield?
Power, battery, how long?

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Has anybody tried to hack into the lane departure warning camera that is built into the car and connecting it to a solid state DVR? Maybe MacGeek knows if that might be feasible?
 

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Not really feasible. The video feed is processed internally and never leaves the front facing camera module. So you'd have to tap the signal internally. Besides, the image sensor inside the module is just 1280x960 pixels, with 50° horizontal and 28° vertical FOV.
 

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Is the installed A118c the capacitor powered unit?

Or, did you hardwire it ?

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Not really feasible. The video feed is processed internally and never leaves the front facing camera module. So you'd have to tap the signal internally. Besides, the image sensor inside the module is just 1280x960 pixels, with 50° horizontal and 28° vertical FOV.
Thanks, I had to ask though. Put a combo dash cam-lane departure camera on the "wish list" for AR to ponder. It would be a competitive advantage by reducing windshield clutter.
 

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Thought I shared how I installed a simple dashboard camera.
Please forgive my ignorance. What would be your primary purpose for a dashboard camera? Do you simply wish to record certain driving experiences so that you can view them later, presumably on a computer or TV? Or is it so that you'd have your own set of evidence should you be stopped by law enforcement?

And in either case, I don't understand how the following makes sense...

Put a combo dash cam-lane departure camera on the "wish list" for AR to ponder. It would be a competitive advantage by reducing windshield clutter.
So if AR did this...provided a built-in "dashcam"...then...would the video be stored in the car? Wouldn't there have to be some mechanism to download the video from the car to an external storage device?

Potential issues would be 1) camera quality: would the factory-provided camera have a good enough lens? High enough frame rate? Big enough resolution? 2) storage capacity: how much video do you want to be able to record before you run out of space? 30 minutes? 20 hours? 3) camera positioning: a built-in would probably not allow for directional adjustments, or zooming/panning, etc.

Other concerns could be imagined. I think one of the Giulia's virtues is its streamlined elegance and focus on the driving experience. I test drove an Infiniti "Red S" model, and that thing had so many buttons, knobs, bells and whistles, that it would literally drive me nuts trying to figure it all out and learn to manage. It was like one of those ill fated versions of Microsoft Word from a few years back that had such a huge and bloated tool bar that it took up a quarter of your screen real estate, and was ultimately just confusing and unusable. I don't want to see this sort of thing happen to our beloved Giulia, so I would tend to encourage Alfa to avoid "feature creep" and focus on what makes their cars great.

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It's the capacitor version hard wired through the rear view mirror.. not sure if u can see the wire.. I had it done at stereo store for 35 bucks.. it's mounted by a 3m tape.. what I like about it is that it's flushed on the windshield.
 

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Please forgive my ignorance. What would be your primary purpose for a dashboard camera? Do you simply wish to record certain driving experiences so that you can view them later, presumably on a computer or TV? Or is it so that you'd have your own set of evidence should you be stopped by law enforcement?

And in either case, I don't understand how the following makes sense...



So if AR did this...provided a built-in "dashcam"...then...would the video be stored in the car? Wouldn't there have to be some mechanism to download the video from the car to an external storage device?

Potential issues would be 1) camera quality: would the factory-provided camera have a good enough lens? High enough frame rate? Big enough resolution? 2) storage capacity: how much video do you want to be able to record before you run out of space? 30 minutes? 20 hours? 3) camera positioning: a built-in would probably not allow for directional adjustments, or zooming/panning, etc.

Other concerns could be imagined. I think one of the Giulia's virtues is its streamlined elegance and focus on the driving experience. I test drove an Infiniti "Red S" model, and that thing had so many buttons, knobs, bells and whistles, that it would literally drive me nuts trying to figure it all out and learn to manage. It was like one of those ill fated versions of Microsoft Word from a few years back that had such a huge and bloated tool bar that it took up a quarter of your screen real estate, and was ultimately just confusing and unusable. I don't want to see this sort of thing happen to our beloved Giulia, so I would tend to encourage Alfa to avoid "feature creep" and focus on what makes their cars great.

Just my very opinionated $.02.
Nothing you say makes any sense....there is a huge dash camera industry...most users simply want evidence in the event of an accident. If you cant "figure out" technology, maybe a 60's car is for you...
Current 80 dollar cameras can do this perfectly...its easy...it would record to sd card...if you dont want to mess with it, dont install the SD card....they can even integrate the rear camera....
 

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Please forgive my ignorance. What would be your primary purpose for a dashboard camera? Do you simply wish to record certain driving experiences so that you can view them later, presumably on a computer or TV? Or is it so that you'd have your own set of evidence should you be stopped by law enforcement?

And in either case, I don't understand how the following makes sense...



So if AR did this...provided a built-in "dashcam"...then...would the video be stored in the car? Wouldn't there have to be some mechanism to download the video from the car to an external storage device?

Potential issues would be 1) camera quality: would the factory-provided camera have a good enough lens? High enough frame rate? Big enough resolution? 2) storage capacity: how much video do you want to be able to record before you run out of space? 30 minutes? 20 hours? 3) camera positioning: a built-in would probably not allow for directional adjustments, or zooming/panning, etc.

Other concerns could be imagined. I think one of the Giulia's virtues is its streamlined elegance and focus on the driving experience. I test drove an Infiniti "Red S" model, and that thing had so many buttons, knobs, bells and whistles, that it would literally drive me nuts trying to figure it all out and learn to manage. It was like one of those ill fated versions of Microsoft Word from a few years back that had such a huge and bloated tool bar that it took up a quarter of your screen real estate, and was ultimately just confusing and unusable. I don't want to see this sort of thing happen to our beloved Giulia, so I would tend to encourage Alfa to avoid "feature creep" and focus on what makes their cars great.

Just my very opinionated $.02.
The purpose of a dashcam is to record the view out the window. The primary purpose is protection against liars in the event of an accident. It is also helpful if something abnormal happens in an accident (like the guy in front of you spins out, causing you to crash to avoid hitting him, but he was not involved and continued on his merry way--not a theoretical circumstance). Lastly the images can be used for entertainment/bragging rights or even track performance analysis. Dashcams are very popular in every country except the USA. I believe you can get an insurance discount by having one, except in the USA. The problem with dashcams is that they obstruct part of the windshield and the wiring is a mess.

I expect that a combo lane departure/dashcam device would be an option, although because lane departure warning is already an option perhaps it could be included with that feature. The camera feed could be sent to a user supplied recording device, or the recording device could be designed by AR. Either way some removable media is needed. A built in dashcam would require minimal user interaction until you wanted to review the captured images. You just need to keep your windshield reasonably clean, which is already necessary for the lane departure warning to work.

Decent dash cameras that can capture meaningful images at night and that have enough resolution to be able to read license plates currently cost around $300 US, but that includes GPS, camera, lens, and mounting bracket; I think Giulia already has all of that with NAV and lane departure warning. A built in dashcam should also have access to rear camera images, wheel speed, wheel slippage, throttle application, brake application and similar vehicle parameters that would add to the "what is going on" capturing.

"Obviously" AR would have to install a better camera with a different lens to make this work. The lane departure warning HW/SW would need revision to work with the better camera and different lens. Dashcams need to be wide angle and full HD resolution is barely adequate.

FWIW: many idiotic dashcams are designed around the concept that it is important to be able to focus close up to take still pictures of documents (use your cellphone!). Since most if not all dashcams are fixed focus this means that the view out of the windshield is out of focus and license plate numbers are a blur even for nearby vehicles. GRRRRRR.

If you don't like knobs, get a Tesla. No knobs, everything is on screen. I think this is horrible as I need tactile controls for things I need to fiddle with while I am driving.
 

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FYI, if you hit someone because they spun out it is still your fault....you failed to keep proper distance.....the reason why the cams are low res is that it requires less processing power...there is no need for high res for this application....
 

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FYI, if you hit someone because they spun out it is still your fault....you failed to keep proper distance.....the reason why the cams are low res is that it requires less processing power...there is no need for high res for this application....
No and no.

1) I did not describe all of the incident and you are making incorrect assumptions. It is too off topic to go into.

2) Many dash cams are full HD but out of focus. High resolution does no good if the focus is poor. They are focused at 12 to 18" in order to allow imaging documents--give it a try or just RTFM. Good image quality is needed to be able to read license plate numbers.
 

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No and no.

1) I did not describe all of the incident and you are making incorrect assumptions. It is too off topic to go into.

2) Many dash cams are full HD but out of focus. High resolution does no good if the focus is poor. They are focused at 12 to 18" in order to allow imaging documents--give it a try or just RTFM. Good image quality is needed to be able to read license plate numbers.
1) you are the one who made a blanket statement. And yes, and yes. You failed to keep proper distance and are the proximate cause of the accident...the spin-out did not cause the accident. If the vehicle camera to a complete stop you would have struck it..there is no scenario where the other driver would be at fault unless be magically changed the laws of physics and started spinning in reverse...love internet lawyers.
2) you misread my statement, I was explaining why low resolution is used by automakers...
that said, high res of almost never needed...there is almost no scenario where you would need the plate of a vehicle in front of yours...
 

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These are popular in Asia and Europe to protect the drivers from false accusations when there is an accident. The dash cam has saved me twice: Once when a big rig said I went swerved into his lane to cause an accident but he actually went into my lane, the other was when I was in the parking lot, a car backed up and hit my bumper. He said that I was the one who backed up first , my camera showed I was stationary.
 

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1) you are the one who made a blanket statement. And yes, and yes. You failed to keep proper distance and are the proximate cause of the accident...the spin-out did not cause the accident. If the vehicle camera to a complete stop you would have struck it..there is no scenario where the other driver would be at fault unless be magically changed the laws of physics and started spinning in reverse...love internet lawyers.
2) you misread my statement, I was explaining why low resolution is used by automakers...
that said, high res of almost never needed...there is almost no scenario where you would need the plate of a vehicle in front of yours...

1) in heavy traffic it is not possible to maintain sufficient following distance to avoid said accident. If one slows down to force the distance a car will pull into the gap and reduce the distance again. Pretty soon the traffic is forced to stop and/or you get rear ended.

2) Insurance fraud happens frequently in some areas of the world (like the east side of the SF bay area and all over the Los Angeles area) and one needs the license plate number of the vehicle in front of you together with the drivecam video to combat the issue.

Both of these are contributing reasons as to why LA residents get to pay twice as much for insurance as people living elsewhere.
Driving is never as simple as the lawyers, legislators, and insurance companies would like the public to believe.
 

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1) in heavy traffic it is not possible to maintain sufficient following distance to avoid said accident. If one slows down to force the distance a car will pull into the gap and reduce the distance again. Pretty soon the traffic is forced to stop and/or you get rear ended.

2) Insurance fraud happens frequently in some areas of the world (like the east side of the SF bay area and all over the Los Angeles area) and one needs the license plate number of the vehicle in front of you together with the drivecam video to combat the issue.

Both of these are contributing reasons as to why LA residents get to pay twice as much for insurance as people living elsewhere.
Driving is never as simple as the lawyers, legislators, and insurance companies would like the public to believe.
1) yes it is. If you fail to do so you have caused the accident...in heavy traffic you are not traveling fast and need shorter distances to stop...if you cannot accomplish this basic task you need to turn in your drivers license.
2) Why do you need the plate in front of you...pray tell of a scenario?
 

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1) yes it is. If you fail to do so you have caused the accident...in heavy traffic you are not traveling fast and need shorter distances to stop...if you cannot accomplish this basic task you need to turn in your drivers license.
2) Why do you need the plate in front of you...pray tell of a scenario?
1) I already explained this. Heavy traffic, nearly bumper to bumper travels at 60MPH on the freeways in LA, not 10MPH. Only a little bit slower in the SF bay area. Slowing down will cause an accident and/or other severe problems like not being able to get to the needed lane to travel in the desired direction and gridlock. If you do not know this then apparently your driving experience is very limited.

2) A person intentionally drives ahead of you in the adjacent lane, changes lanes with 2 feet of clearance, then slams on the brakes. This is exactly what insurance fraud specialists do. That person then sees your drive cam and speeds away; otherwise they claim they were injured and you must be at fault because you rear ended them. Either way you need a drive cam picture with enough resolution to identify the offending vehicle and/or operator of said vehicle.

Too much bandwidth being taken up with arguing over stuff you could find out by a web search.
 

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1) I already explained this. Heavy traffic, nearly bumper to bumper travels at 60MPH on the freeways in LA, not 10MPH. Only a little bit slower in the SF bay area. Slowing down will cause an accident and/or other severe problems like not being able to get to the needed lane to travel in the desired direction and gridlock. If you do not know this then apparently your driving experience is very limited.

2) A person intentionally drives ahead of you in the adjacent lane, changes lanes with 2 feet of clearance, then slams on the brakes. This is exactly what insurance fraud specialists do. That person then sees your drive cam and speeds away; otherwise they claim they were injured and you must be at fault because you rear ended them. Either way you need a drive cam picture with enough resolution to identify the offending vehicle and/or operator of said vehicle.

Too much bandwidth being taken up with arguing over stuff you could find out by a web search.
1) I already explained this, if you are traveling bumper to bumper at 60mph you are a danger to the public and need to be removed from the roadway. You dont have the skill set to safely operate a motor vehicle. The law is very basic and straight forward, if you rear end another driver you are at fault. No exceptions. Stop driving you are putting others in danger. I have seen folks like you, clueless.
2) First, the driver would have to exit the vehicle to see your dashcam. Giving you plenty of time to grab the plate. Second a 60-80 dollar dashcam can read a plate that is right in front of your car....not sure where you are getting 300 from...my a119 and a118 can easily do this.
In your second scenario you dont need an hd image. A vga image will be sufficient and has been for years in the courtroom...you are less than clueless. Sad to see folks like you play internet lawyer...
You lack of basic grasp of proper motor vehicle operation and the law is quite frightening...
 

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1) I already explained this, if you are traveling bumper to bumper at 60mph you are a danger to the public and need to be removed from the roadway. You dont have the skill set to safely operate a motor vehicle. The law is very basic and straight forward, if you rear end another driver you are at fault. No exceptions. Stop driving you are putting others in danger. I have seen folks like you, clueless.
2) First, the driver would have to exit the vehicle to see your dashcam. Giving you plenty of time to grab the plate. Second a 60-80 dollar dashcam can read a plate that is right in front of your car....not sure where you are getting 300 from...my a119 and a118 can easily do this.
In your second scenario you dont need an hd image. A vga image will be sufficient and has been for years in the courtroom...you are less than clueless. Sad to see folks like you play internet lawyer...
You lack of basic grasp of proper motor vehicle operation and the law is quite frightening...
1) No, all of the drivers in LA would have to be removed from the road. Although that is not a bad idea it is not going to happen.

2) No, you just got hit and are disoriented, how do you record anything?
An $80 dashcam is out of focus and cannot read a license plate that is 8' away. I have tried this with more than one unit, you apparently have not. It is not the resolution in this case but design of the lens.

License plate reading at a little more distance is needed to identify hit and run vehicles. Again, have a look at any of the zillions of dashcam videos that you can find online.

You are arguing just for the sake of arguing. I am making a point: a good resolution dash cam is important and recognized as important by 90% of the world's population, why not in the USA? Also, dashcams can be cheaply added to a car that has other accident avoidance systems, so why isn't it?
 
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