[adriano.cisternino]

Hi all,

I am planning to take my Giulia QV to the track a few times a year and I have read most of the post on here on this topic and I have come up with the following list of upgrades I intend to do:

• Giro Disc Front and Rear Rotors (This will be done once the stock rotors will wear out)
• Raybestos ST43/ST45 or Giro Disc GP40 Race pads
• Titanium heat shields to reduce heat transfer
• Remove the dust shields from the front rotors to help with heat dissipation
• Motul 660 or Ravenol or Castrol SRL Race fluids
• Fitting a Camber/Caster Correction Kit, that will allow some better adjustment

One of the thing that I have not been able to clarify from the previous posts is what happens in relation to the Pads wear sensors as well as how does the Brakes temperature sensor work?

Can someone please clarify for me the following:

• Are there are any good tracking pads that can retain the wear sensors?
• What needs to be done to the wear sensors if the Track Pads do not support them, in order not to trigger any errors?
• Will the brakes temperature reading still work with these alternative Girodisc rotors and track Pads?

Just to clarify, I am currently running a Squadra Tuning Performance Logger SD and this allows me to see the individual brakes temperature on each of the 4 brakes.

I look forward to receiving some feedback on the above.

Thank you in advance,
Adri

 

[lizard]

Brake pads without the wear sensor work just fine, they do not trigger any sort of warning lights - basically using pads without sensors behave as if the wear sensor isn't trigger, not the other way around.
There is a newer Motul brake fluid available called RBF 700.

Brake temperature is calculated by a software, not measured.
However "tyre" temperature is measured by TPMS sensors and can be displayed using Squadra Logger.

If you don't have Tecnico wheels, consider some custom made forged wheels as well (lighter and stronger than cast 5-hole Classico wheels).

You should check out these discs as well:

ALFA ROMEO - GIULIA QV - SLR brake discs (360mm / 350mm) | GMS

GMS SLR BRAKE DISCS 360mm / 350 mm for Alfa Romeo Giulia QV are the only disc on the market that feature true, fully floating design, which means that aluminum bells are not directly connected to the brake disc rotors as they commonly are, instead they slide within the bobbin grooves, making...

www.galemotorsport.com

 

[adriano.cisternino]

Brake pads without the wear sensor work just fine, they do not trigger any sort of warning lights - basically using pads without sensors behave as if the wear sensor isn't trigger, not the other way around.
There is a newer Motul brake fluid available called RBF 700.

Brake temperature is calculated by a software, not measured.
However "tyre" temperature is measured by TPMS sensors and can be displayed using Squadra Logger.

If you don't have Tecnico wheels, consider some custom made forged wheels as well (lighter and stronger than cast 5-hole Classico wheels).

You should check out these discs as well:

ALFA ROMEO - GIULIA QV - SLR brake discs (360mm / 350mm) | GMS

GMS SLR BRAKE DISCS 360mm / 350 mm for Alfa Romeo Giulia QV are the only disc on the market that feature true, fully floating design, which means that aluminum bells are not directly connected to the brake disc rotors as they commonly are, instead they slide within the bobbin grooves, making...

www.galemotorsport.com

Thank you so much for all the great info! 👍

 

[Avnyc11]

Ebc pads have a wear sensor

 

[adriano.cisternino]

Thank you. Are EBC better than OEM pads for track use? And if so, what is the difference between yellow and blue?

 

[lizard]

OEM are not track capable.

 

[lizard]

OEM pads are not track capable.

 

[MDriver]

Thank you. Are EBC better than OEM pads for track use? And if so, what is the difference between yellow and blue?

anything is better than OEM for track days. I have EBC yellows

 

[MDriver]

Thank you. Are EBC better than OEM pads for track use? And if so, what is the difference between yellow and blue?

the blue are supposed to be better track suited but still streetable than the yellow....the reality is that what will matter most is how many track days your intending on doing, how you drive at these track days, track conditions etc.
both are good

 

[The_Dude]

Hi all,

I am planning to take my Giulia QV to the track a few times a year and I have read most of the post on here on this topic and I have come up with the following list of upgrades I intend to do:

• Giro Disc Front and Rear Rotors (This will be done once the stock rotors will wear out)
• Raybestos ST43/ST45 or Giro Disc GP40 Race pads
• Titanium heat shields to reduce heat transfer
• Remove the dust shields from the front rotors to help with heat dissipation
• Motul 660 or Ravenol or Castrol SRL Race fluids
• Fitting a Camber/Caster Correction Kit, that will allow some better adjustment

One of the thing that I have not been able to clarify from the previous posts is what happens in relation to the Pads wear sensors as well as how does the Brakes temperature sensor work?

Can someone please clarify for me the following:

• Are there are any good tracking pads that can retain the wear sensors?
• What needs to be done to the wear sensors if the Track Pads do not support them, in order not to trigger any errors?
• Will the brakes temperature reading still work with these alternative Girodisc rotors and track Pads?

Just to clarify, I am currently running a Squadra Tuning Performance Logger SD and this allows me to see the individual brakes temperature on each of the 4 brakes.

I look forward to receiving some feedback on the above.

Thank you in advance,
Adri

I think that maybe EBC track pads maybe easier to source down under. You're limited in the rear selection and EBC blues work well with EBC RP1 or RPX pads. I use ravenoil 325+ and is a little cheaper than the other brands and works just as well. Rotors other than OEM are a problem with this car as they're quite expensive a bit more and the best price is at Alfissmo for a pair. EBC doesn't make 2 piece rotors for the QV. Stainless steel lines are available but not sure if they are worth the price since we have a drive by wire system.

Track pads don't have wear sensors and I just zip tied the wire harness out of the way. There are no do it all pad but if you're looking for a compromise then EBC blues work well.

 

[adriano.cisternino]

Thank you all for your feedback and comments. I will try to get some Blue or Yellow before my first track day.

Can you please provide some feedback on what the best bedding procedures are for these pads prior to driving on the track? And is it different between Blue and Yellow?

 

[The_Dude]

Thank you all for your feedback and comments. I will try to get some Blue or Yellow before my first track day.

Can you please provide some feedback on what the best bedding procedures are for these pads prior to driving on the track? And is it different between Blue and Yellow?

Procedure is all the same, EBC provides the procedure but 4-5 stops from 80MPH to 10MPH and drive around for a while to cool them down. After the bedding, drive normally after the pads cool down.

 

[Avnyc11]

Thank you. Are EBC better than OEM pads for track use? And if so, what is the difference between yellow and blue?

As others others have said, blue/yellow are better for track than oem. Blue are more track focused than yellow so it depends on your needs

Iirc my ebc yellow came with bedding instructions

Keep in mind that the ebc color is not just a name but a color of the pad holder so it will be visible on your car, which may impact your decision

 

[LSchiro]

Hi Adri -
you can likely do a forum search, lots of past threads regarding upgrade to EBC here. as stated above - go with the Blue. I will tell you that (depending on your track and how heavy the brake zones are) my experience has been you will get one day out of them, so be prepared and monitor them after each session. Know that they will likely smoke after your first session, this is normal as the fancy blue paint is burning off. combined with the composite heat shields and quality fresh brake fluid, they will do well with your stock rotors. they are also very rotor friendly.

 

[adriano.cisternino]

Thank you all for the great feedback. Can someone please confirm if these below are the correct part numbers

for the Blue
DP52326NDX
DP52354NDX

And these for the Yellow
DP42326R
DP42354R

Thanks again,
Adri

 

[Avnyc11]

Thank you all for the great feedback. Can someone please confirm if these below are the correct part numbers

for the Blue
DP52326NDX
DP52354NDX

And these for the Yellow
DP42326R
DP42354R

Thanks again,
Adri

Yellow looks correct to me. Can't comment on blue though

 

[LSchiro]

Blues, front and back …

 

[adriano.cisternino]

Blues, front and back …
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Awesome, thank you! 🙏

 

[David Inc.]

How much track experience do you have? The biggest thing in my mind would be making sure you have the right fluid so you don't boil that, otherwise the pads and rotors will be okay unless you're pushing really hard for a long time.

Edit: Not trying to be judgey just in my experience new track drivers tend to waaaaaaay under-brake on track. I have maybe 40-ish or more track hours including 16 for competition licensing and I still tended to under-brake driving at Porsche Atlanta in the GT3 lapping sessions.

Wait I forgot about Lemons racing. Okay it's more than 40, no idea. It's a bunch.

 

[LSchiro]

You are on the right track (pun intended) Main thing is to be safe, listen, learn, and have fun